Are diet drinks bad for you?
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sunvalleylaw
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Spudman said:
Ditto. And I cannot handle the massive amounts of refined sugar in traditional soda drinks, except on rare occasions, maybe involving a root beer float. Therefore, the seltzer water machine with a splash of fruit juice in it works great if I need a little sweet in my drink.
Bloozcat
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Don't even get me started on asapertame...
It's a neurotoxin, plain and simple. Don't take my word for it, do a search on aspertame and read the whole sorid story about how it got approved by FDA. If you're not scared sh**less after reading the whole story and never touch the stuff again, you're probably a fatalist who just doesn't care. It's "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you" at it's finest.
I started having a heart erythmia about 5-years ago that I just couldn't explain. I went through the whole heart stress test that the doctor didn't even bother to completely finish because as he said it, my heart got stronger when exposed to stress, not weaker. That wasn't a surprise to me. The doctor said that it's "normal" that a percentage of the population have this condition, and that it wasn't considered a health problem. Well, it wasn't "normal" for me. If my heart was strong, I wanted to know what was causing the erythmia.
I had often wondered about Aspartame and it's potential health risks, so I started to do some research. Without going into all the volumes of health related problems that Aspartame is suspected of contributing to, let me just tell you what I did. I quit Aspertame cold turkey. No more diet sodas, nothing with any Aspertame in it at all. It took about three months for my body to rid itself of the remnants of the substance, but after that time, the erythmia stopped...completely. I never had a problem until I started to injest Aspartame, and I haven't had a problem since I rid my body of the toxin. Anecdotal evidence? Perhaps, but I didn't need a clinical study to prove what Aspartame did to me. Simple cause and effect was sufficient.
Remember when there was no clinical diagnosis for Cronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia? Look back in history to when these "diseases" first appeared in numbers in society. Then look at when Aspartame was approved for human consumption. Coincidence? I think not...
It's a neurotoxin, plain and simple. Don't take my word for it, do a search on aspertame and read the whole sorid story about how it got approved by FDA. If you're not scared sh**less after reading the whole story and never touch the stuff again, you're probably a fatalist who just doesn't care. It's "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you" at it's finest.
I started having a heart erythmia about 5-years ago that I just couldn't explain. I went through the whole heart stress test that the doctor didn't even bother to completely finish because as he said it, my heart got stronger when exposed to stress, not weaker. That wasn't a surprise to me. The doctor said that it's "normal" that a percentage of the population have this condition, and that it wasn't considered a health problem. Well, it wasn't "normal" for me. If my heart was strong, I wanted to know what was causing the erythmia.
I had often wondered about Aspartame and it's potential health risks, so I started to do some research. Without going into all the volumes of health related problems that Aspartame is suspected of contributing to, let me just tell you what I did. I quit Aspertame cold turkey. No more diet sodas, nothing with any Aspertame in it at all. It took about three months for my body to rid itself of the remnants of the substance, but after that time, the erythmia stopped...completely. I never had a problem until I started to injest Aspartame, and I haven't had a problem since I rid my body of the toxin. Anecdotal evidence? Perhaps, but I didn't need a clinical study to prove what Aspartame did to me. Simple cause and effect was sufficient.
Remember when there was no clinical diagnosis for Cronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia? Look back in history to when these "diseases" first appeared in numbers in society. Then look at when Aspartame was approved for human consumption. Coincidence? I think not...
Tynee
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Not to sound absurd, but do those of you who maintain that "they" are trying to keep us unhealthy and uninformed also believe that "the government" flew the planes into the the WTC? How about that the contrails that you can observe in the sky behind a jet airplane are actually "chemtrails" left behind because "the government" is trying to poison the masses? Or, maybe you are on board with the "vaccines are killing more babies than they are curing" crowd?
Its all just a bit too far-fetched. Like Rocket said, "sit back and really think about how things work."
Its all just a bit too far-fetched. Like Rocket said, "sit back and really think about how things work."
tunghaichuan
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Sounds like a cop out, but I really can't explain "they" without delving into gov't/religion/politics, which are all strictly forbidden here on The Fret. Sorry.
tung
tung
Tynee said:
Spudman
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Tynee
We live in the most advanced country on earth. Don't you think that with all that ability people would be getting healthier instead of sicker? We aren't getting healthier. In fact diabetes is projected by 2010 to overtake heart disease as the number one killer in the US. We have more doctors per capita than any other country yet our people are grossly unhealthy.
Other countries don't have the diseases we have because they don't eat the same processed foods that we do. But coincidentally, when aspartame was introduced into other countries the same diseases started showing up.
Do I believe that there is a group of people that know the facts about aspartame and yet politically managed to move it into the market place in spite of the fact that it is not good to ingest? You bet I do. Do I believe they know what they are doing to people with their products? Yes.
You can have whatever conclusions you like about your other questions. This thread is about what is in diet drinks and their effects.
Like Rocket said, "sit back and really think about how things work." Gather data.
We live in the most advanced country on earth. Don't you think that with all that ability people would be getting healthier instead of sicker? We aren't getting healthier. In fact diabetes is projected by 2010 to overtake heart disease as the number one killer in the US. We have more doctors per capita than any other country yet our people are grossly unhealthy.
Other countries don't have the diseases we have because they don't eat the same processed foods that we do. But coincidentally, when aspartame was introduced into other countries the same diseases started showing up.
Do I believe that there is a group of people that know the facts about aspartame and yet politically managed to move it into the market place in spite of the fact that it is not good to ingest? You bet I do. Do I believe they know what they are doing to people with their products? Yes.
You can have whatever conclusions you like about your other questions. This thread is about what is in diet drinks and their effects.
Like Rocket said, "sit back and really think about how things work." Gather data.
Tynee
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Spud, I don't deny that it is possible for a group of people to pull the wool over for some amount of time. I also can neither confirm nor deny that diet drinks are good or bad for you (although I suspect they are no worse than 80% of the food we eat in America today). My point is that it is far-fetched to believe that the Senate, the House of Representatives, the Judicial Branch, and the White House (under any president), could all be paid to slowly and deliberately poison the American People.
The larger issue here is personal responsibility. If I choose to drink a fifth of Jack Daniels every night, I'm more than likely headed for problems later in life. By now, people know that there is no healthier and more budget friendly beverage than water, with Milk being very important to a healthy diet as well. If I choose to drink Diet Coke to the exclusion of all other beverages, then I'm more than likely headed for early extinction as well.
We should all eat at home, food that we have prepared ourselves. We should LIMIT our intake of other beverages, drink more water, and in general make healthier choices. To say that we are all being systematically poisoned by the Food and Drug Administration because they allow us to buy a product that may or may not have beneficial effects as well as harmful ones, is denying that we all have a personal responsibility in this. Could it be that we have simply started making horrible diet decisions since the late 70's - early 80's, and that, not aspartame, is why we are more unhealthy than ever before? Combine that with the fact that we have better access to the medical care, and that we have, as you pointed out, vastly superior technology for finding out what's wrong with us, and the numbers are going to start looking worse.
Maybe I'm just skeptical.
The larger issue here is personal responsibility. If I choose to drink a fifth of Jack Daniels every night, I'm more than likely headed for problems later in life. By now, people know that there is no healthier and more budget friendly beverage than water, with Milk being very important to a healthy diet as well. If I choose to drink Diet Coke to the exclusion of all other beverages, then I'm more than likely headed for early extinction as well.
We should all eat at home, food that we have prepared ourselves. We should LIMIT our intake of other beverages, drink more water, and in general make healthier choices. To say that we are all being systematically poisoned by the Food and Drug Administration because they allow us to buy a product that may or may not have beneficial effects as well as harmful ones, is denying that we all have a personal responsibility in this. Could it be that we have simply started making horrible diet decisions since the late 70's - early 80's, and that, not aspartame, is why we are more unhealthy than ever before? Combine that with the fact that we have better access to the medical care, and that we have, as you pointed out, vastly superior technology for finding out what's wrong with us, and the numbers are going to start looking worse.
Maybe I'm just skeptical.
Spudman
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Tynee said:
Skeptical is good. I just think with the evidence that can be easily obtained that there is more to it than we are shown.
I think your second sentence is really what people need to be made aware of the most. It is important to be in control of what goes in your body. I think people get lazy and because of that end up cruising down the highway of self destruction.
I always think of the old IBM credo G.I.G.O. - Garbage In Garbage Out
Tynee
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Spudman said:
Preach on, brother of the Fret...
Bloozcat
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Want to know who "they" are in the Aspartame fiasco?
Just follow the money trail and where and to whom it leads...
A simple fact...
An organic substance cannot be patented. A synthesized chemical substance can. Where do you think the money is there?
The all natural organic sweetener Stevia hasn't been able to get approval from FDA as a non-caloric "dietary" sweetener despite its undeniable safety record. And why do you suppose that is? Well where would companies like Searle and Monsanto be if Coca-Cola could opt to use an all natural, non caloric sweetener in their Diet Coke...and not have to buy Aspartame from the chemical companies? Think of it. Coca-Cola could take the high road and truly promote their product as a healthy drink (relatively speaking). No artificial chemical sweeteners. Think of how that would go over in an increasingly health conscious marketplace. And then think of what the chemical companies would be losing.
So, out come the lobbyists. Stevia bad, Aspartame good, here's another campaign donation. Secretary of Defense pressures FDA because he has substantial investment in chemical company and lots of tax payers dollars to make life Hell for FDA bureaucrats. Get the picture? This isn't fiction, its dirty business as usual in Washington. And before anybody thinks this is a political statement, this isn't a partisan practice. It's an equal opportunity practice open to all who eat from the public trough known as government.
I had said earlier that a natural organic substance can't be patented. But, if there are certain refinements made to that organic substance it can be named and trademarked. And just who do you think is jumping on this (money) bandwagon? Why none other than a chemical company...Cargill.
Well, Coca-Cola is not some fly by night company with no clout of their own (and neither is Pepsi who has a stake in this). And it seems that Coca-Cola has found themselves a new partner to jump in the sack with. I've been following this partnership between Cargill and Coca-Cola for over a year now. All the small natural food companies individually and combined could not get FDA to grant them GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) approval for Stevia as a natural sweetener. But now that it's got a name (Rebiana), and has the backing of CLG Life Tech Corp, Cargill, and Coca-Cola (yes, they worked with Cargill on Rebiana) it's suddenly legit. Looks like they could afford the lobbyists that the poor little health food companies couldn't.
http://www.stockwatch.com/swnet/new...?bid=Z-C:GLG-1561728&symbol=GLG&news_region=C
EDIT TO ADD: Stevia was never available in grocery stores before. Since FDA wouldn't allow Stevia to be marketed as a sweetener only a "food additive", it was relegated to health food stores. But now it's magically available in grocery stores everywhere under the brand name, Truvia. It tastes as good (and even better) than the health food store Stevia I had been buying, but Truvia is only half as sweet.
Just follow the money trail and where and to whom it leads...
A simple fact...
An organic substance cannot be patented. A synthesized chemical substance can. Where do you think the money is there?
The all natural organic sweetener Stevia hasn't been able to get approval from FDA as a non-caloric "dietary" sweetener despite its undeniable safety record. And why do you suppose that is? Well where would companies like Searle and Monsanto be if Coca-Cola could opt to use an all natural, non caloric sweetener in their Diet Coke...and not have to buy Aspartame from the chemical companies? Think of it. Coca-Cola could take the high road and truly promote their product as a healthy drink (relatively speaking). No artificial chemical sweeteners. Think of how that would go over in an increasingly health conscious marketplace. And then think of what the chemical companies would be losing.
So, out come the lobbyists. Stevia bad, Aspartame good, here's another campaign donation. Secretary of Defense pressures FDA because he has substantial investment in chemical company and lots of tax payers dollars to make life Hell for FDA bureaucrats. Get the picture? This isn't fiction, its dirty business as usual in Washington. And before anybody thinks this is a political statement, this isn't a partisan practice. It's an equal opportunity practice open to all who eat from the public trough known as government.
I had said earlier that a natural organic substance can't be patented. But, if there are certain refinements made to that organic substance it can be named and trademarked. And just who do you think is jumping on this (money) bandwagon? Why none other than a chemical company...Cargill.
Well, Coca-Cola is not some fly by night company with no clout of their own (and neither is Pepsi who has a stake in this). And it seems that Coca-Cola has found themselves a new partner to jump in the sack with. I've been following this partnership between Cargill and Coca-Cola for over a year now. All the small natural food companies individually and combined could not get FDA to grant them GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) approval for Stevia as a natural sweetener. But now that it's got a name (Rebiana), and has the backing of CLG Life Tech Corp, Cargill, and Coca-Cola (yes, they worked with Cargill on Rebiana) it's suddenly legit. Looks like they could afford the lobbyists that the poor little health food companies couldn't.
http://www.stockwatch.com/swnet/new...?bid=Z-C:GLG-1561728&symbol=GLG&news_region=C
EDIT TO ADD: Stevia was never available in grocery stores before. Since FDA wouldn't allow Stevia to be marketed as a sweetener only a "food additive", it was relegated to health food stores. But now it's magically available in grocery stores everywhere under the brand name, Truvia. It tastes as good (and even better) than the health food store Stevia I had been buying, but Truvia is only half as sweet.
Spudman
Luke Skyrawker
Blooz
It's great to see that someone else is in the know. Thanks for your input. All this information could make a great difference in someone's health.
It's great to see that someone else is in the know. Thanks for your input. All this information could make a great difference in someone's health.
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Well done Blooz.
Bloozcat
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Spudman said:
Thanks, Spud...I really hope that it does. I'd hate to see someone else suffer because they didn't know. I've had a few friends drop the diet soda habit after I had talked to them about it. One woman I know quit smoking and drinking Diet Coke at the same time (about 6-months ago now). Now that's some admirable resolve...:AOK:
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