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Anybody have some V-18,33 mods/or tube suggestions???

:confused: I can only find crate mod posts regarding V5 and very little else.I found a snipet or so of V-18 and V50 stuff. But the majority seems to be on the V5.Would anyone besides me be interested in a thread on the V-18 and33? I left a message a week or so ago regarding the Soldano and Bogner mods.There has been no commentary in regard to these amps and mods. I have a question about tube replacement. It seems alot of people are messing with the preamp tubes. Some are saying use a lower gain V1(as low as an AU?) Some are saying to use a lower gain Phase inverter tube at V3(which makes more sense) Some are suggesting all 3 preamp tubes be set to lower gain tubes? I don't know if any of these are usefull suggestions. Why would I use a 12AU7 in the V1 position? Isn't the V1 position where you get your overall tone from? Why would I use a tube with such a low amount of gain in this position? Wouldn't this be the spot that I would want to put my sweetest sounding preamp tube? Wouldn't it make sense to put a lower gain tube in the PI position to help cut down on the gain being fed to the input of the output section? Speaking of tubes for the V-33, how about (V1-your best sounding 12AX7),(V2-JAN/PHILIPS 5751),(V3-JAN/PHILIPS 12AT7balanced for Phase inverter) Doesn't this seem like the logical tube location and gain values ? Any thoughts on the subject? Anyone with mod ideas and info would be greatly apreciated :confused:
 
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Power supply repair of V50

The V50 is still at the very competent amp tech. He attempted to build a switching power supply but was unable to get it to work.

Crate is backing him all the way and he is now installing a conventional power supply. I am glad of this because I am very doubtful that the switching power supply will perform satisfactorilly anytime soon in a tube type amp.

If the rebuild doesn't go well I'm going to ask Crate for a replacement: a Crate VTX200S, stereo solid state three channel two by twelve combo.

The amp tech says that the V50 will be way better than the VTX200S when he finishes with the conventional power supply. I am glad of this because the amp sounds really great and I hope the new conventional power supply will not degrade the sound. If it does I'm asking for the VTX.

So, it has been over two months.

Those of you that have switching power supply problems will probably be advised by Crate that they are going to send your amp to this tech to repair it with a conventional power supply, if all goes well. This will be a good thing, because when the switching power supply goes out you are going to have a MAJOR problem. Major. There are no switching power supplies available.

Crate promoted the switching PS as being a super great innovation when they advertised the new V series that we have. The concept did not reach fruition. The conclusion is that switching power supplies are great in ss amps but have not been developed as a reliable component in a tube amp.

Therefore, if my amp doesn't sound right to me, I'm going to again bring up the advertising campaign and ask for the expensive VTX200S stereo solid state Crate. Maybe I'll luck out and get it. But I hope the V50 comes back working great and hold up with the new power supply and endures the test of time.

It makes you a little shy when something like this happens.

Check those tubes. There was a bad batch of Ruby tubes. Might be a good idea to replace the power tubes with new high quality ones, like JJ's. I don't know. But an ounce of prevention . . . . . Forgot the rest of it but you know what I mean.

Best luck with your switching power supplies and hope you don't ever get a catastrophic power tube failure. It can take a lot of stuff out. That's why replacing tubes regularly as recommended is a very very good idea especially if you have an expensive tube amp.

I have a bunch of good amps so I'm not devastated. But I might be getting a nice ss one next.

Peace,
Duffy
 
switching power supply problems

Hello Duff,
Is this power supply issue V50 specific? Cuz all the V series mkll amps have switching supplies. I have the 18 -212,33 -212 and 33H ! Guess it's good to have back up!? But if all 3 go tits up I'm screwed!
 
V 50 pwr supply

Mine had a "catastrophic" power tube failure. This kind of catastrophic failure could hurt any tube amp, but especially the switching power supply ones.

I'd take it in and get the tubes changed from the stock Ruby tubes to some JJ's, no affln. Explain to the tech the problem.

My problem was over before I knew it, almost. Almost key word. The day before the tubes popped and flashed when I turned it on but it played great shortly thereafter. I had my warning and ignored it. The next day was MEGA pop and FLASH, taking out the other stuff.

Stay on top of them power tubes and replace them. There was a batch of bad power tubes, Ruby. Call Crate and ask for advice.

I'll keep you all posted on mine.

Duffy
Winfield, Pa.
 
How hard would it be to change the switching power supply to a conventional tube amp power supply? I ought to map out the voltages going into the mainboard.
 
Pwr supply

WackyT,

Evidently it isn't that simple. Crate claims that they will send this guy all kinds of work if he figures out a way to put a good conventional power supply in the Crate V50.

I am actually trying to negotiate for a replacement for the V50, if they will give me a VTX200S, solid state, three channel, stereo amp. I might just push this issue because this repair job has inconvenienced me quite considerably already. No return call from the repair guy today.

The amp has been at a very competent tech shop for three months. No rebuild of the switching pwr supply was able to be built.

The guy is now supposedly working on retrofitting a conventional power supply. What currents you need to match I am not sure. Evidently, however, it can be done. Just hasn't been done yet. Why hasn't it been done yet? I don't know. Maybe you do.

Duffy
Winfield, Pa.
 
The only hurdle I can see, Duff, are the op amps in the circuit. I should be able to take some measurements of my V18 this weekend.

The schematic I have for the V18 says the power supply provides +320V, +6.3V, +17V, and -17V.
 
V 50 pwr supply

WackyT,

Sounds like you have a good grasp of what is happening inside these amps, much moreso than me; hence, my amp is at a highly qualified tech who actually, but unsuccessfully, tried to build a new switching pwr transformer. Crate has authorized him to try to put in a conventional power supply and promises him plenty of business if he can figure it out; leading me to believe that it isn't a cake walk.

I will definitely settle for a Crate VTX200S but they say the properly working V50 will be way better. What are your ideas on this comparison?

I see that you have a Samick Avion. I had one of those with a twisted neck and returned it for a Schecter Omen 6 that has been a great walnut stained black trimmed super strat type guitar, two humbuckers, now the ones I took out of my Epiphone LP Standard Plus Top when I put in nickel plated Seymour Duncan pickups: JB in the bridge and a '59 in the neck - great pickups. The stock Epi pups sound good in the Omen 6, which was my first really good guitar, by my amateurish standards, at least at the time and I still like that guitar and will not part with it.

Anyway, I have continued to want a Samick and was turned on by the inexpensive acoustic 12 string, but recently bought a brand new Samick Gregg Bennett acoustic J2 Jumbo, non electrified; however, tonight I put my Dean Markley sound hole piano black humbucking magnetic acoustic pickup in the jumbo and plugged it into my Dean Markley outboard acoustic preamp and then into my new little Marshall MB15CDR on the clean channel instead of my acoustic Crate Gunnison amp. Wow! Did the jumbo sound great!

Then I put my Danelectro Corned Beef, outlandish, reverb pedal between the guitar and the acoustic preamp and Wow!!!! again.

Then I plugged my guitar into my Danelectro Wasabi Overdrive pedal and ran a cable to the Corned Beef and into the preamp and thus to the Marshall and Wowwwwwwww! What a great sound.

I had fun with that for about an hour. No feedback.

The Jumbo sounds great just straight up no electricity as well, naturally. Glad I bought it for 168 US dollars. A great jumbo at a great price.

My Seagull dreadnought 20th aniv. S6, with a solid spruce top and flammed maple sides and back on top of cherry, sounds best of all my acoustics. The tone is loud and great, very sweet sounding and full but it cost about five times as much as my other two acoustics including the Jumbo Samick. So the Samick is my acoustic that I like to keep out of the case and easily at hand because I want to play a lot more acoustic lately, even though I have some new great electrics; including my brand new Peavey Hartley Peavey signature made in Korea - "HP Signature EXP" with a super beautiful Tiger Eye maple top on a solid mahogany body with mahogany set neck and gold trim including two custom wound Peavey hot humbuckers. This HP Signature EXP does not fool you with its good looks, it has what it takes to make it a great feeling, sounding and playing super strat style guitar. This guitar is really great. The pickups are not going anywhere and sound very hot and tonefull not like a strat or an LP but fabulous. I got that expensive guitar for 199 US at a place near me that is selling out all their Peavey stuff at half or less the internet price.

They have a Peavey Zodiac P J bass with Seymour Duncan quarter pounders on it that I played and it is astounding. It's 199 and goes for over 600 on MF. It is the scorpion version signed by some heavy metal bassist. It is black with a chrome pickguard that I suspect to be real chrome based on the "quarter tap" test, but maybe not. The neck is a jazz bass slim style and the board is rosewood or ebony. One hot bass that sounds really great. Hopefully I'll be able to pull it off. I gave my '85ish Fender MIJ Jazz bass to my son along with the old Peavey TNT 115 and bought him a 800 dollar new SWR Workingpro 15, an awesome amp. I have a small 30 watt new release Marshall MB30 practice amp that is awesome with clean and dirty channels, a manual compression with adjustment knob and three voices with adj knob plus contour in the mid and other great things and a tweeter, 168 out the door. I also have a Fender Rumble 100 with the flashing red lights coming from the base ports and I like them, switchable off too. I'm 59 and I like the way those red lights flash to the way you play, cool effect. I use the Marshall almost exclusively though. It sounds great and handles a 5 string with no problem, no something every bass amp will do. I need to see how my Fender Rumble 100 will handle my Schecter neck thru Stilletto V Elite. This is a great bass as well but I play my inexpensive affinities, P and J basses mostly. The P bass I have been hot rodding and put a black pickguard on the black naturally relic'd body w rosewood board and it looks "dark"; I bought and put in some guitarfetish.com hot P bass pickups in it and wish I would have went for the SD quarter pounders instead for not too much more money. I may do this yet. The J bass affinity is metallic red and is brand new for like 179 and plays great, no buzz with any of them and the J bass is awesome but the P bass is something I have always wanted and maybe I'll get that Peavey P J special one of these days. In the meantime I'm having lots of fun.

I'm going to play my Squire Classic Vibe antique sunburst strat thru the Wassabi overdrive into the little Marshall MG15CDR right now. Nice under appreciated, I would suspect, bedroom amp. I have other great bedroom amps too like the Fender Super Champ XD, nothing to scoff at with the Ragin' Cajun speaker mod. The CV has the bridge tone mod right from the store before it came home and pure nickel strings.

I'd buy a Samick again, no problem. The non electrified Jumbo acoustic is a great inexpensive guitar and electrified the way I did it without the acoustic amp is a real surprise and no feedback with awesome tone in all configurations. Glad I got that Samick Jumbo J2.

Good luck with your Samick and working on the Crate amp. I bet a high quality conventional power supply will work. I just wouldn't know how to go about it. I hope my expert tech knows how to retain the super great tone that the amp came with, otherwise I'm pressing for the VTX200S stereo solid state three channel two twelve.

What do you think about that ss amp?

Duffy
 
V 50

The Crate V50 is history.

I negotiated with Crate to get a replacement probably refurbished Palamino V32 with two twelve inch Celestion speakers, 67 pounds unpacked. Hope it works good. It has conventional power supplies and is apparently built a lot better than the new discontinued V series according to the tech.

The V32 Palamino is class A not A/B like the V50, but I will be way happier with it. I was very happy with the V50 until the major major problem with the switching power supply.

The Palamino is now in route via UPS from Redmond, Washington.

Naturally, I can't wait for it to get here so I can see if it's new or refurbished or shows signs of excessive wear. According to the guy at Crate it is in great shape, but I doubt if he has seen it, it probably was located in some warehouse boxed up.

Well it's on it's way here and will show up this week.

I have always wanted a big Palamino. My V8 is cool. I played a V32 before and it sounded really great. I hope this turns out good.

I would be cautious of the new style V series and watch the tubes.

Also the tech at Crate said that they identified another problem that caused the problem with the switching power supply. A lot of the capacitors were messed up somehow. Supposedly the design of the new V series is a design that didn't meet expectations and has inherent problems from the original redesign all the way up to the switching power supply. Must be why they were getting rid of them so inexpensively but continued to advertise how great the switching power supply is, weight saving, etc.

Well, it has been a disappointment but I look forward to the cream and gold Palamino and hope it works out and the original warranty on the V50 transfers to the Palamino, so that's good since the V50 is still not a year old.

Thought some of you would appreciate the update on my problem with the amp. Luckily I'm getting a hopefully great Palamino.

Duffy
Winfield, Pa.
 
Thanks for the post, Duffy. Appreciate the information. Here's hoping the replacement lives up to your expectations.:beer:
 
V 50

Thanks Oldguy.

Yeah. The V50 is unfortunately history, but I must say I'm looking forward to the Palamino V32 w two twelve celestions. Even though it is a Class A amp it has a channel switch, boost and presence, etc.

I notice you have an Agile. I have two SST strats which sound really good and a Gibson LP Special copy with two P90s and all mahogany build with mahogany set neck that sounds and feels and plays and looks real good in antique burst. Could use some really nice P90s though, I'm sure and maybe I'll get some. I'll have to make another post.

I also have a used Squire P bass that I hot rodded with some GFS Power Pro Plus hot pickups to really good effect. It sounds really good. Also replaced the worn out stained white cracked pickguard with a new heavy duty black white black Fender one and it looks really good on the black body with rosewood neck. But it plays really great and has TONE.

Duffy
 
Yes, I have one LP style axe, and it's an Agile. The AL 3000 model, which has an ebony 'board, abalone inlays, and Grover tuners. It's as good as my old Les Paul Custom was, with the exception of the pots and switches, which will need upgrading someday. (My original LP was sold yrs. ago, but I never missed a child support payment! )
I bought this particular Agile because it came with a Gibson hardshell case with the nice pink protector sheet...............
oh, yeah, it was loaded with WCR Crossroads humbuckers also.....:AOK: :D
 
Oldguy

Oldguy,

What are WCR pups? Wilkinson Crossroads? Never heard of them. Sound like blue tone pickups.

I have two Epi LP Standards one is a plus top and I put in SD "hot rodded" set in one and SD's in the other as well; a JB in the bridge of the other with a '59 in the neck. Don't know enought about the electronics to know what to do to improve the tone; although I may be having a set of Fender Vintage Noisless J Bass pickups put in my new Squire Affinity J Bass. An older guy, 69, will do it for me and install a capacitor and I think resistor so that the treble won't roll off when you turn the volume down. That might be my next project but I'll have him do it because he has a milling machine and the pickups might need to be fitted into spaces that need to be opened up or deepened.

Evidently a lot of these guitars these days come with the wrong value pots installed in them.

Duffy
 
Duff,
Wagner.......(Jim Wagner) potted P.A.F. pickups. Bluesy tones, not high output at all, but not weak. Work great for fat blues and old school rock.
They were already installed in the Agile, and w/ the Gibson hardshell case and a $250 set of Wagner pickups I thought it was a good deal.
 
V50 failure question

I have a V50 and was wondering if I could get more detail on the one that failed. I am making changes to this one so if there is a fault there may be less chance of a total meltdown. What has been posted is that the output tubes caused the failure that may be the case it also could be the bias supply fails(-63 volts) this would put both output tubes full on. So far I have lowered the value of fuse F1 to 300mA the schematic shows 1 amp the stock part was 800mA so Crate already changed it once. To lower it I changed R68 to 2.2k from the stock value of 470 ohms with out changing R68 the surge current of charging C41 would just blow the fuse when switching out of standby. But it would be nice to know what was fried on the switching supply that failed. If you could give me more detail that would be great, thanks
 
V 50 failure

There is also a capacitor issue according to the tech at Crate. The design is not a great design to begin with. My tech tried to rebuild a switching power supply but couldn't get it to work. Must have been other issues. You can call him. The name of the company is Full Custom Music in Leymoyne, Pa. Search for their website and tell them Matt told you about it and my V50 he was trying to fix the switching pwr supply on. He will be able to give you some insight.

My ideas are to watch the tubes, replace them with real good ones. Call Crate and talk to John House, ask the operator. Tell him you are concerned. He told me there is a replacement swithcing power supply that has been designed but won't be available for a few weeks.

I loved the amp and wish it could have been fixed but it would have been too much work and too long to wait for the replacement parts which are unproven. Switching power supplies have not been proven successful in tube amps he said.

This Crate Palamino V32 w two twelve inch Celestion 70/80 speakers is an awesome class A amp.

I just got a Peavey 5w JSX Mini Colossal for 175 dollars, brand new. Awesome amp and Loud too. Great power sponge put in as well, Weber 8 inch speaker.

When the V50 went the tubes flashed and popped and then played as usual. The next day I turned it on and it FLASHED and POPPED and the red light went out.

I did not to check anything else on my own. Straight to an expert, for months and to no successful end. Glad to have the Palomino V32 which I have always wanted, a brand new old stock one from Crate.

Duffy
 
Re: V50 falure

Thanks for the response. I may look into it further things are fine right now think the 300mA fuse would blow before major carnage occurs. Thing I don’t like about a multiple output supply like this one the only regulated supply is the +17 volt used for the op amps. All the others will change relative to what it requires was thinking of connecting feed back from the +430 volt through a diode to the +17 feedback so if it rises it would pull the supply down. Also was thinking of making a protection circuit that would keep the plate supply off (+430 volts) if there is no bias supply. I did add a 51 volt zener diode to the bias circuit so it has some regulation. I rewired the signal path in the amp so after the first stage you go through the tone stack then back through the other stages and relays. This way you have tone control before going through the overdrive. Have also replaced the reverb tank with a long tank, I put the short tank in a V5. So I will see how things work out for my son (it’s his amp) and maybe just cross my fingers.Thanks
 
V50

I'd definitely call the Crate guy.

Don't say you did anything to it.

Maybe you can get a way better amp in replacement if you claim it is messed up or you have found from others that it is unreliable and that the advertising was misleading when the power supplies did not live up to the claims and you are worried about long term reliability and frankly, very shy and constantly worried that you will experience a similar problem after the warranty period and find that the amp is disposable. The Palominos and old V series were way better built according to my pro tech.

Duffy
 
No help for spring reverbs

:bravo: The best mod for the spring reverb in the CrateV-series mkll is to yank the P.O.S. and it's circuitry and use a digi-verb. I foung one of the best sounding verbs in the Rocktron Cyborg Digi verb. Sounds incredible! And the best part is I got mine from Mus/Frnd closeout for $49.99 By far one awesome sounding reverb unit. People scarfed them up at that price and are now ebaying them for $70 or $80 brand new factory sealed. Forget the spring. It's just never gonna sound as good. IMNSHO :master:
 
New V series Crates

Watch out for the new V Series Crates like the V33 head. They have switching power supplies (sps) instead of conventional power supplies.

Just got word from the pro tech auth repair ctr on a friend of mine's V100 head with the sps. He will not touch it. Says it is unshielded an could burn someone's house down and can't believe Crate built such a poorly designed and dangerous series of amps. He is definitely afraid to touch it because of being sued if someone gets electrocuted or has their house burnt down.

The previous generation V series and the V Palaminos are much better built and you can get them used very reasonably priced.

Definitely beware of those inexpensive "blow out" priced Crates. They are cheap for a reason. Only the V5 has a conventional pwr supply.

My V50 blew up and I got a replacement V32 212 Palamino with twin Cenestions in exchange from Crate; a good company, definitely but the new V series is already discontinued and the sps never worked out as the design team planned and the advertising claimed.

Duffy
 
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