Osama bin Laden dead

[R_of_G]

No, as one Bogeyman dies another quickly takes his place. The only question is will he be from Eurasia or Eastasia?

+1

Thanks for that. I've been half-joking for a decade now that Osama Bin Laden is arabic for Emmanuel Goldstein.

 

[msteeln]

It is interesting to note that the US is currently on a new and unique murderous rampage of selective high profile world targets, with one down and more, like Gadafi, to go. Lot's of study went into the successful re-examination of the compound and a courier to get this hit on Osama done so well, so maybe they've managed to re-up their competency game. I think we'll see more Rambo action from this admin., should be fun viewing, not that I approve...

 

[deeaa]

The whole 911 thing is so ridden with strange things I have no doubt there's something really fishy hidden there too. No, I don't believe in stupid conspiracy theories, but I am inclined to think it's possible that the buildings ultimately might have fallen like they did because of a failsafe system built in them after the previous bombing attempt and meant to facilitate controlled demolition instead of letting the towers fall onto Manhattan and cause much more damage. I'm certain there's something wrong or hidden in the big picture nevertheless, whatever it might be. Perhaps something less sinister like a huge structural design flaw that's kept hidden, or something. Whatever it is, we're not told about every aspect of it for some reason.

That Osama's death would be a hoax is also pretty incredible, but I also find incredible that in the death picture Osama looks 1:1 right down to the lip position as he did in a ten year older photo and superimposed they fit pretty much exactly. That IS pretty weird. Most likely it is just coincide, but then again, it's incredible that if you'd catch the most wanted man in history, you'd not take any proper photos or video or make any proper such documentation or even conduct a proper autopsy for the history books, but instead pretty much instantly get rid of the body in a way that nobody can possibly get their hands on any of it or prove it?

Why on earth would anybody do that if it wasn't fishy in some way? Most likely he is dead, though, but again, I don't think we're told everything about it. It could be something like the picture of dead Osama might have been too gruesome to release as is, and they had retouched it using previous picture. Could be.

I don't think there's a way to find out exactly what happened in any government operation or scenario; usually I don't believe reality is nothing like the CIA cloak and dagger games in movies, but everything is usually based on some truth to the matters, and if even half a percent of what movies suggest would be true, well, that would not only be believable and what I'd do if I was running a secret service, but also definitely make things appear somewhat fishy in tight scrutiny.

 

[scruff]

What this thread has shown me is that despite our varied perspectives on an issue this sensitive we can all still interact like adults and respect each other's opinions. I know we usually avoid discussions like these around here that can touch on political issues or other lightning-rod type things, but it's very refreshing to see that this thread has been up all day and has generated nothing more than civil discourse. Good for us.

+1

 

[NWBasser]

It is interesting to note that the US is currently on a new and unique murderous rampage of selective high profile world targets, with one down and more, like Gadafi, to go. Lot's of study went into the successful re-examination of the compound and a courier to get this hit on Osama done so well, so maybe they've managed to re-up their competency game. I think we'll see more Rambo action from this admin., should be fun viewing, not that I approve...

Even the most jaded of liberals that I know agree that Osama was an extremely bad person and that we're (by we, I don't just mean the US) all much better off without him. He really was a dangerous and charismatic fanatic who presented quite a risk and I say good riddance. Beyond that character, things get much too political for this forum I think.

 

[scruff]

That Osama's death would be a hoax is also pretty incredible, but I also find incredible that in the death picture Osama looks 1:1 right down to the lip position as he did in a ten year older photo and superimposed they fit pretty much exactly. That IS pretty weird.

Weird, especially since to my knowledge, no death picture has been release yet. Or did I miss it? What you're looking at is probably a fake. Just my immediate reaction. Can anyone confirm or deny? Thanks

 

[NWBasser]

The whole 911 thing is so ridden with strange things I have no doubt there's something really fishy hidden there too. No, I don't believe in stupid conspiracy theories, but I am inclined to think it's possible that the buildings ultimately might have fallen like they did because of a failsafe system built in them after the previous bombing attempt and meant to facilitate controlled demolition instead of letting the towers fall onto Manhattan and cause much more damage. I'm certain there's something wrong or hidden in the big picture nevertheless, whatever it might be. Perhaps something less sinister like a huge structural design flaw that's kept hidden, or something. Whatever it is, we're not told about every aspect of it for some reason.

That Osama's death would be a hoax is also pretty incredible, but I also find incredible that in the death picture Osama looks 1:1 right down to the lip position as he did in a ten year older photo and superimposed they fit pretty much exactly. That IS pretty weird. Most likely it is just coincide, but then again, it's incredible that if you'd catch the most wanted man in history, you'd not take any proper photos or video or make any proper such documentation or even conduct a proper autopsy for the history books, but instead pretty much instantly get rid of the body in a way that nobody can possibly get their hands on any of it or prove it?

Why on earth would anybody do that if it wasn't fishy in some way? Most likely he is dead, though, but again, I don't think we're told everything about it. It could be something like the picture of dead Osama might have been too gruesome to release as is, and they had retouched it using previous picture. Could be.

I don't think there's a way to find out exactly what happened in any government operation or scenario; usually I don't believe reality is nothing like the CIA cloak and dagger games in movies, but everything is usually based on some truth to the matters, and if even half a percent of what movies suggest would be true, well, that would not only be believable and what I'd do if I was running a secret service, but also definitely make things appear somewhat fishy in tight scrutiny.

Dee, I've looked into some of the claims about the WTC attack and found many of the conspiracies to be less substantial than the main story. Even though I have little faith in our news media, the destruction of the World Trade Centers is certainly well within the physics of jet airliners hitting the buildings. In this case, I think the simplest explanation is the most likely.

The problem is the US Gov't has done some questionable things and it leads one to suspect everything they do, even if it is on the up-and-up. For example, I think the whole Iraqi WMD episode seriously tarnished their credibility.

 

[R_of_G]

Weird, especially since to my knowledge, no death picture has been release yet. Or did I miss it? What you're looking at is probably a fake. Just my immediate reaction. Can anyone confirm or deny? Thanks

Not positive but it's my understanding that some media outlets were briefly showing what was purported to be a photo of a dead OBL. It was taken down after various skeptics showed that it was a fake by showing archived web pages that showed the same exact photo in 2010.

Ironically, the mainstream media outlets who showed the photo without verifying it now blame the incident on "conspiracy theorists" when in fact it was conspiracy theorists that pointed out their error. Any information at this point about who supplied that photo would be mere speculation but to date I know of no official release of any photos of a dead OBL.

 

[deeaa]

Yes, I agree that pretty much all the conspiracy theories are quite lacking in substance - all but the super-accurate falling down of the towers finally. I would not be surprised if there was indeed some sort of a failsafe system for controlled demolition that ignited once the damage had penetrated far enough and the building would have collapsed anyway but uncontrollably.

I don't know of any building like that to collapse like the wtc did, literally pulverizing as it went down. Granted, not many have been so badly burned. But, it did look exactly like it had been demolished, if you compare videos of tall buildings blown up in demolitions, it happens exactly like when wtc came down. That was my first thought when I saw it happen on live TV.

No way to know, though. Doesn't seem like a far stretch to me, but I would not be surprised to find out if it was either way. Terrible anyway.

 

[deeaa]

Not positive but it's my understanding that some media outlets were briefly showing what was purported to be a photo of a dead OBL. It was taken down after various skeptics showed that it was a fake by showing archived web pages that showed the same exact photo in 2010.

Ironically, the mainstream media outlets who showed the photo without verifying it now blame the incident on "conspiracy theorists" when in fact it was conspiracy theorists that pointed out their error. Any information at this point about who supplied that photo would be mere speculation but to date I know of no official release of any photos of a dead OBL.

That must have been it. It did seem fishy to me in many respects. I mean, IF they would make a fake one, I'd imagine they'd at least have some professionals to a proper job of it

 

[msteeln]

It seems for many region locals it was common knowledge that the raided compound was 'the bin Laden house', and that Osama would probably be dead of his own ailments within 2 years. He was a dying figurehead imprisoned in his own retirement home with his massive family and a woman prisoner kept nearby to be used as his personal human shield, should need be, a real man thinks of everything... The guy taking his place is a long time dedicated mega-dirtbag, so the party could just be starting up again. And any legitimate doubts concerning the validity of Osama's demise went when Rummy and Dick gave their immediate applause.

 

[Spudman]

Dee, I've looked into some of the claims about the WTC attack and found many of the conspiracies to be less substantial than the main story. Even though I have little faith in our news media,the destruction of the World Trade Centers is certainly well within the physics of jet airliners hitting the buildings. In this case, I think the simplest explanation is the most likely.

Not for Building #7, but that's another topic.:socool

 

[Tig]

Not for Building #7, but that's another topic.:socool

Yes, watching the footage of WTC 7 collapsing, the synced black plumes that match every planned planned implosion I've seen, and the fact that is wasn't a monocoque structure like the towers were... Well, it makes you wonder.

The towers being monocoque explains why they collapsed in the way they did. All the structural strength is based on the outer shell and when that fails, the weight above creates the domino effect vertically. An achitech could explain further.