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just strum said:
I googled to see how many times Magic beat the Celtics in the Finals - I found that not only did he never beat them in the finals, there is no record of him ever beating them in his career. The same can not be said for the Lakers.
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:thwap: My ignorance just shows you that I'm not a Lakers fan, but rather a Celtics fan transplanted to the Left Coast, with this season's whitewash whooping of the Cavs (2-0?:bootyshake: ) fresh enough in my memory, and with all the classic Magic vs. Larry Bird battles faded enough after almost 30 years that I didn't realize Bird won them all. :eek:

R_of_G said:
...let's give credit where it's due since the guy pretty much does it himself.
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:master: No argument there. He's even learned how to distribute the ball this year. King LeBron is a great player; one can only imagine how the Browns would do if his dream in that commercial for one of the products he 'endorses' actually came true.
 
LeBron is putting on a show these days, no doubt about it. Right now he, Kobe and Dwyane Wade are all on fire.
 
I've gotten a good laugh at my Pistons who went 4-12 bringing Rip off the bench, but have gone 6-2 (including wins over Boston, Orlando twice, and Denver) since AI got injured. AI is still "The Answer." It's just that the question now is, "How will Detroit have tons of cap room this off season?"
 
R_of_G said:
LeBron is putting on a show these days, no doubt about it. Right now he, Kobe and Dwyane Wade are all on fire.
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He continues to dominate, 43 points; 12 rebounds, 8 assists, last night against the Magic. They are 4.5 games in front of Boston for home court advantage and percentage points ahead of LA for best record in the NBA.

Yet, there is a big concern - they are letting teams walk right into the painted area and score. To top it off, they are relying very heavily on the perimeter shot, including the 3 point shot. Fact, closer you are to the rim, the higher your shot making percentage goes up.

While they are still an overall great defensive team (they seem to turn it up a few notches in the 4th), they are not playing playoff basketball. Allowing the opponent to get into the painted area and relying on the perimeter shot usually spells early exit from the playoffs.

They know what they have to do, they have a coach that knows what it takes, now we will have to see if they send teams a message that they are the team to beat this year.
 
They will definitely need to tighten the defense up to make it through the playoffs. If they do make it out of the East, there are a few Western teams that will give them a run for their money. This would be a good year for LeBron to show he's got what it takes to win a championship. Maybe if he wins a championship for Cleveland you guys will have an easier time parting with him if he chooses to go elsewhere in 2010, like my Knicks. :D
 
R_of_G said:
Maybe if he wins a championship for Cleveland you guys will have an easier time parting with him if he chooses to go elsewhere in 2010, like my Knicks. :D
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a valid arguement from Trash Talk

The answer is none of the above. LeBron James is staying in Cleveland. Wade, who can also opt out in 2010, will remain in Miami. Chris Bosh will stay in Toronto.


Until the collective bargaining agreement is changed so that a free agent’s current team no longer has the advantage of offering an extra year and more money on a long-term contract, marquee free agents will stay put.


Before Kobe Bryant signed his last deal with the Lakers, he made a lot of noise about going to the Clippers. The Clippers offered six years, $100 million. The Lakers were able to offer seven years, $137 million. You do the math.


But guys like LeBron are smart in one sense: They’re making their current owners nervous so they’ll do whatever is necessary to assemble championship-caliber teams to keep their superstars happy.


So in that regard, keep teasing, LeBron.


And a latest accomplishment:

With a layup early in the first quarter Wednesday night against New Jersey, Cleveland's superstar joined Hall of Famer Oscar Robertson as the only players in NBA history to post 2,000 points, 500 rebounds and 500 assists in a season at least four times.
 
I don't think it's a simple financial consideration. LeBron makes more money in endorsements than he ever would if he played for the Knicks and the Cavs simultaneously. It's about playing on the big stage. Yes, in this era it is possible to be a big media star in any city (as LeBron already proves), but there is only one New York City and to be THE BIG STAR there is like nothing else in sports. LeBron has said many times he is enamored with the history of MSG (and believe me, you can feel it just walking into that place). There's a reason it's known as "the world's most famous arena" and it's very enticing for the best basketball player of his generation to build his legend there.

I am hoping it happens though I know it's no guarantee, but I do think it's more than a monetary consideration. Other big time free agents leave their teams every year, so I don't put too much stock in thinking the rules for avoiding cap restraints for retaining free agents mean much.

I will tell you this... I will be shocked if James, Wade and Bosh all stay where they are, particularly the latter. Why on earth would Bosh languish in Toronto for any amount of money when the big time teams will come calling? Wade might stay in Miami out of loyalty. He's played his whole career in Miami and he's won a title there. He owns that town. All three will be courted (pun intended) by every team in the league, that's for sure.
 
I keep catching the score on the Internet, my Cavs are in Orlando getting their butts kicked (76-42 last time I looked). They had 14 straight wins and last night they lose to Washington and tonight Orlando. I think this will only be the second time this season that they have lost back to back games.
 
R_of_G said:
I will tell you this... I will be shocked if James, Wade and Bosh all stay where they are, particularly the latter. Why on earth would Bosh languish in Toronto for any amount of money when the big time teams will come calling? Wade might stay in Miami out of loyalty. He's played his whole career in Miami and he's won a title there. He owns that town. All three will be courted (pun intended) by every team in the league, that's for sure.
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NBA is set up that their current team can offer them a longer contract and I believe more money. Kobe used that as his trump card and I think Wade and Lebron will do the same. Bosh may leave, but again, it all depends on the depth of the pockets in Toronto.
 
Like I said earlier, that suggests it's solely about money with LeBron and Wade. I think there's more to it than simply money. LeBron makes more in endorsements than he ever will as a player and that will be true wherever he plays.
 
The Celtics are a good team and will always be dangerous to play, but this year the Cavs are better and it showed today.
 
Well, it's only game one, but the Cavs looked good.






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LeBron James hoists and makes a half-court shot at the end of the first half.


Boston who???
 
A well deserved award. Mike Brown won the Coach of the Year Award. Mike has built a team around defense and trust. This is not an award that Lebron won for him, it is recognition of Mike's determination to build a "TEAM" in the true sense of the word.

I've told our top management that Mike's approach is a good model of business management and should be looked at as more than just a sport. Anyone that has followed the Cavs will know what I am talking about.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30310985/
 
Good for Coach Brown. I agree, he deserves it for what he's done this season.
 
The sweep!!!

Hats off to the Pistons - they may not be much this year, but they have been the best team over the past 10 years. The amazing thing is, they did it without a superstar, because they always played as a team. Iverson was a BIG mistake - one of the most selfish, overrated players in the in the NBA!!!

So, the Cavs sweep the series in 4, await either Maimi or Atlanta in 7 to 10 days.

The Celtics are 2 and 2 and whining they don't have Garrnett. They do have Pierce, Allen, Davis, and Rondo - yet they can't get it done. Who in their right mind would be a Boston fan???:poke:

Then over in the West you have the Lakers - I am hoping that the Rockets or Dallas knock them off.
 
just strum said:
The sweep!!!...
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:bravo: Congratulations. Now that The King has some support, he looks like more of a team player.
The Celtics are 2 and 2 and whining they don't have Garrnett. They do have Pierce, Allen, Davis, and Rondo - yet they can't get it done. Who in their right mind would be a Boston fan???:poke:
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So, my mind's not right.:messedup: (I suffered as a Red Sox fan until '04.) They let it get away today, for sure. One of the keys to compensating for no KG, Perkins, left too soon on fouls, and that was an equalizer from that point on. The Bulls are tough.
Then over in the West you have the Lakers - I am hoping that the Rockets or Dallas knock them off.
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No chance. None. Zip. Nada.
 
just strum said:
Hats off to the Pistons - they may not be much this year, but they have been the best team over the past 10 years. The amazing thing is, they did it without a superstar, because they always played as a team. Iverson was a BIG mistake - one of the most selfish, overrated players in the in the NBA!!!
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Don't be fooled. The Iverson trade had nothing to do with giving the Pistons a superstar. Joe D. realized the writing was on the wall for this Pistons team. The Iverson-Billups trade was all about the future. With AI and Sheed coming off the books, they'll have tons of cap space and can accelerate their rebuilding. In the meantime, I'll be rooting for Chauncy and the Nuggets.
 
just strum said:
Then over in the West you have the Lakers - I am hoping that the Rockets or Dallas knock them off.
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I don't like to say never, but it'll never happen. If anything, the West is more one-sided than the East. A healthy Boston could have given Cleveland a series (even if they'd have lost). Nobody in the West, healthy or not, is going to give the Lakers much of a challenge. Certainly not Houston or Dallas. Neither team plays defense on a level to challenge the Lakers. Of the three Texas teams, San Antonio is the most-equipped to take on the Lakers, but they are now without Ginobli, and even with him, they weren't going to beat the Lakers.

Truth be told, it's kind of a boring NBA post-season for me. It seems like it's all a big waste of time until the Cavs/Lakers final. Wake me up when we get there.
 
Pretty nice company to be with.

"James has rarely been so locked in. He scored 36 points with 13 rebounds and eight assists in the Game 4 finale and finished the series averaging 32 points, 11.3 rebounds and 7.5 assists on 51 percent shooting. He joined Larry Bird and Oscar Robertson as the only players to average 30-10-7 in a playoff series." - Associated Press Sports
 
Yep, that's just what our Mr. Pierce did. :mad: Losing the ball on a misguided pass to Noah was bad enough but then chasing him down and fouling him when he had no chance of stopping him was one of the dumbest plays I've ever seen.

A shame to waste Ray-Ray's game.

We don't lose a game 7 at the Garden, though.:poke:
 
wingsdad said:
Yep, that's just what our Mr. Pierce did. :mad: Losing the ball on a misguided pass to Noah was bad enough but then chasing him down and fouling him when he had no chance of stopping him was one of the dumbest plays I've ever seen.

A shame to waste Ray-Ray's game.

We don't lose a game 7 at the Garden, though.:poke:
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Ray Allen was unbelievable. That was one of those "in the zone" games.

This might go down as one of the best series ever. It certainly has to be the best first round series ever.

Despite the gallant effort on the part of the Bulls, I think there is too much Celtic pride for Boston to lose game 7. However, if you would have told me there would be at least seven OT's in this series...
 
just strum said:
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This might go down as one of the best series ever. It certainly has to be the best first round series ever....
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True, true. Certainly has been good for the economy, at least for sports bars...:whatever:
Despite the gallant effort on the part of the Bulls, I think there is too much Celtic pride for Boston to lose game 7. However, if you would have told me there would be at least seven OT's in this series...
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If we had our pick & roll stopper, it would've been over in 4. The Celts didn't exactly blowout the 1st round last year, either. We take game 7, and play team ball through the next round...KG might be ready to deal with King James:poke: That will be a series.
 
Two teams in the East have to put a scare into the other teams - Atlanta and Chicago. Both have youth and difficult match-ups. Over the past two years, Boston has seen more than they would have liked to of these two teams.

Whoever comes out of this on top, is going to be mentally and physically drained.
 
Well. I'm not going to start dancing yet, I am getting happy feet. Lakers and Celtics both lose?, what's up with that?

I won't go bragging just yet, because Atlanta poses some match-up problems the same as the Lakers and Celtics are experiencing.

Oh, I will say LEBRON MVP. He had the award ceremony held at his high school - I thought that was classy.
 
R of G will appreciate this:

The top five defensive teams (fewest allowed points)
Cavs, Spurs, Celtics, Trail Blazers, and Hornets. All five made the playoffs. Regular season combined record of 285 - 185 (.695)

Top scoring teams Suns, Warriors, Lakers, Knicks, and Pacers. Combined record was 208 - 202 (.507). The 65 - 17 Lakers were the only team to make the playoffs and the reason the top scoring teams are over .500

Another strong statement for defense.
 

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