Earlier today I posted the "donation challenge " thread , its fundamental premise was to draw attention to the fact that this forum like most things in life has associated costs .. I hit the "make donation " button and gave 20.00 us..err 23.65 canadian..and issued a challenge for other members to do the same , to help robert and vitalmyles meet the costs of keeping this forum up and running and to hopefully help them build on what they have so successfully created ... my intention was not to put any pressure on anybody to do the same (well maybe just a little) but rather to show my support and gratitude for their and everyone elses efforts to make this forum special .. if in doing so i have upset or offended anyone i most humbly apologize ... 6S9L