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[mechanic]

I live in Canada.

All of these took me 8 months a piece to clear all paperwork/licencing requirements before I could take possesion of them.
Eric

 

[just strum]

yup, but it's a ****** to conceal

Plus if it starts to leak, it will look like you peed your pants. Not a good look around the ladies.

 

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Here's mine

 

[ted s]

Any experienced handgun owners care to share your opinion on hardware please PM me, I have ?
thanks

 

[Jimi75]

Does gun talk really belong here? In such critical and sensitive times? Please don't get me wrong, it's your decision, but with gun threads most of the folks I know would feel a little "something's wrong here, ain't it?", if you know what I mean.

 

[SuperSwede]

I dont see a problem with this thread, its in the open mic and the rules doesnt rule out (ha ha) these kind of discussions.

 

[MichaelE]

Any experienced handgun owners care to share your opinion on hardware please PM me, I have ?
thanks

Walther, SIG-Sauer, H&K. The only three I allow in the house. The P-35 Hi- Power is here by special invitation.

 

[Perfect Stranger]

Wow, when I used to go to the shooting range all I ever shot was targets and old DVDs. Never thought to take a bag of groceries. :thwap:

 

[deeaa]

Kool

Them Henrys sure look nice.

Can't think of any use for one, though.

I have a .22 ruger with a silencer and a dot sight for steel shooting and fun, then a .40 1911 Para-Ordnance w/19 cap mag for IPSC shooting (major standard class) which is my main shooting hobby, and a 9mm Glock for same purpose (production class) and a 6.35 miniature gun which is just a heirlom...then I have some air guns and for a rifle I have a 7.6253R sniper Mosin-Nagant (russian military rifle) from 1944 which I use for elk hunting.

I make a point of never getting a new gun unless I have a good use for it.

When I get more money I'm getting, probably a Bushmaster, AR-15 .223 16" barrel, 100 round barrel mags and a decent scope for it. OR if I come accross a good and cheap one, I might settle for an AK-47 7.62. And maybe in distant future some semiauto shotgun with a barrel magazine so I'm set for 3 gun matches.

But that's gonna be sometime in the future.

 

[ted s]

Apparently Para's largest NA facility is right here in Canada, north of Toronto.

 

[deeaa]

Walther, SIG-Sauer, H&K. The only three I allow in the house. The P-35 Hi- Power is here by special invitation.

All good guns, but none can hold a candle in IPSC to STI, SVI and Para-Ordnance. 1911/2011 types are simply way better than anything else out there in IPSC.

There's always a few who start off in our club with H&K or Beretta or sometimes even Walther or SIG but they all switch to 2011 sooner or later.

 

[bigoldron]

i got it dead on every shot...

That reminded me about the fact that females tend to be more accurate than males in shooting skills. About 20 years ago, I was in a local civic group that decided to have a marksmanship class for kids using air rifles (BB guns as we always called them...).

We had about 15 kids or so, all boys except for 1 girl. Most of the boys had been shooting for a while, but the girl had never held a gun, must less shot it. Anyway, she wound up beating all the rest. She was a natural shooter, but didn't give a hoot in a handbasket about it. Oh well, was her attitude.

Kind of like some of these really young shredders who don't think it's a big deal to play like they do. Life just ain't fair...

 

[Childbride]

That reminded me about the fact that females tend to be more accurate than males in shooting skills. About 20 years ago, I was in a local civic group that decided to have a marksmanship class for kids using air rifles (BB guns as we always called them...).

We had about 15 kids or so, all boys except for 1 girl. Most of the boys had been shooting for a while, but the girl had never held a gun, must less shot it. Anyway, she wound up beating all the rest. She was a natural shooter, but didn't give a hoot in a handbasket about it. Oh well, was her attitude.

Kind of like some of these really young shredders who don't think it's a big deal to play like they do. Life just ain't fair...

it's been a few years since i've regularly target practiced, but i do give a hoot about it.

just in case the ex forgets.

[edit: ted... i haven't shot regularly in some time. but i dug a sig 226 and a beretta 9.]

 

[vroomery]

I've gotten into shooting over the last year or so. Haven't had the money to buy anything because my guitar hobby takes priority over a gun hobby. Once the funds become available I hope to get a sig 229 chambered in .40. I wouldn't mind having a decent 1911 either.

Fortunately I know some people that have put a good bit of time and money into guns so I've been able to shoot some pretty neat guns.

.460 S&W revolver

.44 Desert Eagle

Those were two of the most fun. I've also shot a Springfield M1A match, AK-47, and an AR-15. All of which were pretty awesome. It's amazing how quickly you can go through a 20 round mag in an AK. Once you pull the trigger its hard to stop haha.

 

[MichaelE]

All good guns, but none can hold a candle in IPSC to STI, SVI and Para-Ordnance. 1911/2011 types are simply way better than anything else out there in IPSC.

There's always a few who start off in our club with H&K or Beretta or sometimes even Walther or SIG but they all switch to 2011 sooner or later.

I used to shoot IDPA competition and the Walther's SIG's and H&K's do a fine job. They aren't race guns, just practical, reliable defence weapons.

 

[marnold]

I was watching tosh.0 on Comedy Central on Thursday. He had a bunch of clips of people who were shooting guns but obviously had never been shown how. A couple of people looked like they were going to get cracked skulls from the kick-back. Learn to use it safely first!

 

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Learn to use it safely first!

 

[deeaa]

I used to shoot IDPA competition and the Walther's SIG's and H&K's do a fine job. They aren't race guns, just practical, reliable defence weapons.

Sure they are. I used to shoot a H&K USP Expert for instance quite a lot, it was an OK gun. I also tried the regular USP but its trigger pull was so bad it was nigh unusable. I have tried SIG's very little but they seem very good - only expensive, and they are sometimes even too heavy which gives them a weird balance for rapid shooting.

Still, 2011 / 1911 are just excellent in that kind of shooting. That H&K for instance...way too high slide so fast aiming is hard. Too complicated and slow safeties. Not the most ergonomical gun either.

IMO there's only one semiauto pistol I'd say was really really reliable is Glock. That also has some problems - bad factory sights and a bit too square a grip for smaller handed people, plus the trigger pull is unique feeling and needs getting used to. But it's the only gun I know will fire tens of thousands of times, won't rust or jam or anything. This about the 9mm G17 or G19. I had a G35 (.40S&W) for a few years and that was VERY much not a reliable gun - needed exact right ammo to work well.

IDPA IPSC etc. are pretty similar I think.

 

[pes_laul]

My late grandfather was a big gun man. (He was in like two wars so he oughta be) but he always taught me the safeties and everything of shooting and I've actually become quite the shot. I think my favorite one to shoot is probably either the 22. ruger pistol or this one http://world.guns.ru/handguns/sw_610.jpg I'm not the best shot but it's a fun gun.

 

[ibanezjunkie]

there are some pretty stoopid laws on weapons in this country, even imitation (BB, air rifles, airsoft) have to be painted a fluro colour under the UKARA act.

my uncle still managed to own several 9mm pistols, a bunch of 6 shooters (including a vintage smith and wessen) and a sniper rifle of some sort.

i need to get me a german Mauser, or a Winchester. something better than an american springfield though.

 

[M29]

American Springfield...You can send that one my way if you don't care for it......:smile-us: That rifle will do just fine:drool:

 

[Kazz]

Myself I like the Ruger P89

Also like the Ruger Redhawk 44 Magnum

 

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I like this one.

 

[MichaelE]

What caliber does that come in?

 

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What caliber does that come in?

.335 six shooter.

 

[wingsdad]

I'm not into guns. In fact, I hate them. So I know next to nothing about them.

What can any of you gun-mavens out there tell me about this one?

All I know is it's a Kimber Stainless Pro Carry II.

What caliber is it?
What's it's main intended use? Target Shooting? Self Defense?
How powerful is it?
How accurate is it?
How many shots does a clip hold?
Why would someone feel they need to have 4 loaded clips of ammo? (it's got 1 in and 3 on the side)
Why would someone leave it loaded, with the safety off, without a gun lock on it, in an unlocked case, on the top shelf of a bedroom closet instead of in a locked safe?
Does it take much strength to lift it, aim it, fire it?
If a 6-year old girl got her hands on it, could she pull the trigger?

Thanks for your help.

 

[deeaa]

I'm not into guns. In fact, I hate them. So I know next to nothing about them.

What can any of you gun-mavens out there tell me about this one?

All I know is it's a Kimber Stainless Pro Carry II.

What caliber is it?

-.45 ACP. It's a derivative of a Colt 1911 pistol (commander model) which is still THE gun for lots of pistol racing sports etc.

What's it's main intended use? Target Shooting? Self Defense?

-Self defense. I would have no use for it. It is too light-framed for my sport which requires MANY many rounds per year, also short-slide/barrel is less than ideal, and also .45 which is too expensive and too powerful/kicks.

How powerful is it?

.-45 ACP is plenty powerful. It's a slow heavy bullet designed to stop an attacker very effectively. Used to be the main military sidearm.

How accurate is it?

-Accurate enough to hit a man-sized target easily at maybe 40 yards or so. --Not for longer shots really. one to 25 metres is ideal.

How many shots does a clip hold?

-Looks like that's a single-stack, so seven.

Why would someone feel they need to have 4 loaded clips of ammo? (it's got 1 in and 3 on the side)

-Well, it's only 7 per clip. In my shooting discipline one quick 'stage' of racing might have a minimum shots count of 32. And you may have to fire a few extra if you miss a few or hit them less than perfectly.

-I always carry 4 clips on me; start every stage with 18 in clip one in barrel, and the next 2 mags have only 17 in them, and the last 16. Sometimes that's not enough and you run out of ammo anyway in the middle of the race.

-One one-day competition might require anything from 90 to 300 shots.

Why would someone leave it loaded, with the safety off, without a gun lock on it, in an unlocked case, on the top shelf of a bedroom closet instead of in a locked safe?

- They're being stupid.

Does it take much strength to lift it, aim it, fire it?

No. It weighs under a kilo loaded. Triggers are usually very light.

If a 6-year old girl got her hands on it, could she pull the trigger?

- If it was left with a loaded chamber, it'd be really easy. Even if safety on, on 1911 the safety is designed so it practically comes off when you start to aim, fingers hit it just right. If it had a full full clip an inexperienced shooter probably would also fire a second shot right off due to kickback/surprise/reflex .

IF it the chamber is empty, then it requires perhaps more power than a 6-year old could muster, and/or technique to pull back the slide and release it again to load the chamber.

Thanks for your help.

Well hope it helps.

Nobody and I mean NOBODY should keep guns in the house openly like that, let alone loaded.

Mine stay locked in the basement behind two locks and usually also taken apart, nowhere near loaded. I never carry my guns anywhere but shooting tracks, and if someone broke in my house I would not even consider getting my gun, I'd grab a poker or a bat or whatever.

p.s. sorry abot putting my answers in the quote part...

 

[wingsdad]

...
p.s. sorry abot putting my answers in the quote part...

Actually, that really helped putting the answers right with the questions...thanks for taking the time to give me some really good, insightful answers & feedback, deeaa.

What caliber is it?

-.45 ACP. It's a derivative of a Colt 1911 pistol (commander model) which is still THE gun for lots of pistol racing sports etc.

What's it's main intended use? Target Shooting? Self Defense?

-Self defense. I would have no use for it. It is too light-framed for my sport which requires MANY many rounds per year, also short-slide/barrel is less than ideal, and also .45 which is too expensive and too powerful/kicks.

How powerful is it?

.-45 ACP is plenty powerful. It's a slow heavy bullet designed to stop an attacker very effectively. Used to be the main military sidearm.

How accurate is it?

-Accurate enough to hit a man-sized target easily at maybe 40 yards or so. --Not for longer shots really. one to 25 metres is ideal.

How many shots does a clip hold?

-Looks like that's a single-stack, so seven.

Why would someone feel they need to have 4 loaded clips of ammo? (it's got 1 in and 3 on the side)

-Well, it's only 7 per clip. In my shooting discipline one quick 'stage' of racing might have a minimum shots count of 32. And you may have to fire a few extra if you miss a few or hit them less than perfectly.

-I always carry 4 clips on me; start every stage with 18 in clip one in barrel, and the next 2 mags have only 17 in them, and the last 16. Sometimes that's not enough and you run out of ammo anyway in the middle of the race.

-One one-day competition might require anything from 90 to 300 shots.

Why would someone leave it loaded, with the safety off, without a gun lock on it, in an unlocked case, on the top shelf of a bedroom closet instead of in a locked safe?

- They're being stupid.

Does it take much strength to lift it, aim it, fire it?

No. It weighs under a kilo loaded. Triggers are usually very light.

If a 6-year old girl got her hands on it, could she pull the trigger?

- If it was left with a loaded chamber, it'd be really easy. Even if safety on, on 1911 the safety is designed so it practically comes off when you start to aim, fingers hit it just right. If it had a full full clip an inexperienced shooter probably would also fire a second shot right off due to kickback/surprise/reflex .

IF it the chamber is empty, then it requires perhaps more power than a 6-year old could muster, and/or technique to pull back the slide and release it again to load the chamber.

Dumb Question: If the loaded clip is in the gun, it won't fire unless you first pull that slide thingy back to get the first shot from the clip into the chamber? then the rest of the clip would just follow automatically?

Another Dumb Question: What's 'ACP'?

So...I guess this particular gun isn't made for fun & games. Sounds to me like the person who owns it wants to be prepared to use it without a second to lose for a deadly purpose -- as in "shoot to kill".:whatever:

OK, gun lovers....anyone wanna answer this one? It's not a gun question, just a loaded one:

What would you do if you knew that 3 children aged 6, 6 & 2 have been ordered by the court to live 5 nights & 3 days a week with their father that owns this very gun and keeps it just as I described/asked...while he's locked in a divorce battle and is intent on trying to win sole physical & legal custody of those children from their mother?

 

[deeaa]

Actually, that really helped putting the answers right with the questions...thanks for taking the time to give me some really good, insightful answers & feedback, deeaa.

:AOK: I guess I'm so used to replying to emails this way it's hard not to do it...


Dumb Question: If the loaded clip is in the gun, it won't fire unless you first pull that slide thingy back to get the first shot from the clip into the chamber? then the rest of the clip would just follow automatically?

:AOK: That's correct, you have to pull back the slide all the way, and if you do it slowly it also hooks onto a latch and stays open too, until you press down a lever and it slaps shut and is ready to fire. If you do it quickly the latch won't catch. After first shot, the energy pushes the frame back and loads another into the chamber so all you need to do is pull the trigger again.

Another Dumb Question: What's 'ACP'?

:AOK: Automatic Colt Pistol. .45 was already used in 'winchester' type rifles, revolvers etc. and the cartridge was then changed to suit semi-auto action. Became the official military caliber in 1911 - hence these guns are known as Colt 1911 types. Now there's 2011 type as well, with a composite frame and certain modern modifications from STI/SVI etc. manufacturers.

So...I guess this particular gun isn't made for fun & games. Sounds to me like the person who owns it wants to be prepared to use it without a second to lose for a deadly purpose -- as in "shoot to kill".:whatever:

:AOK: I'd venture it's bought for security reasons, yes. While these guns are fun to shoot and all that, this particular one is extra light extra short, it's - as the name implies - meant to be easy to carry for personal protection. Plus the heavy caliber.

OK, gun lovers....anyone wanna answer this one? It's not a gun question, just a loaded one:

What would you do if you knew that 3 children aged 6, 6 & 2 have been ordered by the court to live 5 nights & 3 days a week with their father that owns this very gun and keeps it just as I described/asked...while he's locked in a divorce battle and is intent on trying to win sole physical & legal custody of those children from their mother?[/QUOTE]


Over here that would certainly be grounds to making a report to the police who would come and get the gun into their hands until further notice. It can happen pretty easily. They've taken away guns from for instance some workers who've been laid off work etc. at the request of the employer and so on; certainly in this case they would be very happy to get the gun from the guy. Plus it's already illegal to keep a gun like that, you'd have to have it locked away at all times when not going to track.

I myself would not like that situation, and would at least try my best to convince the guy to keep the gun safe if I couldn't report it to the authorities or gun laws were so lax as to allow such gunkeeping. At the very least it could be used as leverage in the custody battle.

But each case is different...in the event of a divorce, which I really doubt would ever happen, I would certainly do everything in my power to get the custody of my kids, and I'd hate to think my shooting hobby could be used as such leverage. I'd never use a gun to hurt anyone and I always make sure they're safe as can be.

 

[MichaelE]

For clarification, it is called a magazine. A clip is what you use to load a fixed magazine, typically in a rifle, but not a handgun.

I don't know how that nomenclature got started, but it is one of my biggest peeves when listening to people talk about firearms.

MAGAZINE.