sunvalleylaw
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pes_laul said:
Thanks Kris, that is a good one. And one can do that and make sure they are hitting the note like deeaa says. I am going to do that.
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Thanks Kris, that is a good one. And one can do that and make sure they are hitting the note like deeaa says. I am going to do that.
deeaa
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pes_laul said:
Yep that's what I meant, only IMO it's better to sing several notes' runs, just change the starting point always a step (or half) higher.
That's because if you just keep going lower and lower or vice versa, it can be pretty exhausting. If you do the same going like 'la la la la la' and then the same a tad higher, you get to 'rest' the voice because you also sing already familiar notes in the same run, and then the highest may slip out correctly easier than constantly just straining higher.
Katastrophe
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You know, I just figured out my range -- tenor.
Ten or twelve miles away.:what
Ten or twelve miles away.:what
pes_laul
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Yeah Like in choir when we were doing voice test to see who were tenors, baritones etc. We would do like a Sol Mi Do dealio then go up or down a half step with it and keep going both ways.deeaa said:
Hi Paul!
It can be intimidating to take the plunge into singing.... You can first practice at home, singing and playing along to your favorite tunes. That's how I started.
Once you get going singing live and practicing in a band setting you will find that if you don't use the right technique or warm ups your voice will strain and suffer.
Hence, I present to you vocal health 101- an article a good friend of mine wrote...
http://en.audiofanzine.com/vocal-technique/editorial/articles/vocal-health-for-singers.html
I know, it seemed easy to hear all metal singers screaming etc. but you will not believe how much voice coaching goes on there.....
Good luck!
It can be intimidating to take the plunge into singing.... You can first practice at home, singing and playing along to your favorite tunes. That's how I started.
Once you get going singing live and practicing in a band setting you will find that if you don't use the right technique or warm ups your voice will strain and suffer.
Hence, I present to you vocal health 101- an article a good friend of mine wrote...
http://en.audiofanzine.com/vocal-technique/editorial/articles/vocal-health-for-singers.html
I know, it seemed easy to hear all metal singers screaming etc. but you will not believe how much voice coaching goes on there.....
Good luck!
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deeaa said:
The way I've seen in done in musical theatre is that they get a piano or other keyboard, and pick a scale and have you sing it along with the piano. If you can get through that, they move up in upper registers with more scales until you get to where your voice breaks, and they make a note of where that is. Then they go back to where they began and go downward, again until you can't hit the note. That literally is your range, and I guess the keyboard is divided up into the various named ranges like bass, tenor, alto, soprano, etc. so they compare where your voice can't hit notes to the established named ranges, and put you in whichever you're closest to.
That's what it seemed like they were doing anyhow. I did some googling and found this comparison of ranges:
Soprano
High female voice, G3 (below middle C4) to F6 above high C6 although anywhere above high C can be included.
Coloratura
A singer, usually soprano, who sings ornamental passages in music - C4 to F6 or G6 above high C6
Lyric Soprano
Warmer middle sound - Bb3 below middle C4 to high C6 or D6
Spinto Soprano
Usually a thicker sound with more edge and volume but with the same range as a the Lyric Soprano
Dramatic Soprano
The loudest and lowest with cutting power - low Bb3 or A3, to a pushed high C6
Mezzo-Soprano
Middle female voice with dark quality, Low A3 or G3 (below middle C4) to at least high C although it is not uncommon for high A6 or Bb6 to Eb6 above high C6.
Alto or Contralto
Low Female Voice, low C3 (below middle C4) to high C6 or up to high A6.
Tenor
High Male Voice, C (an octave below middle C) up to high C or D (or above).
Countertenor
Highest male voice, also called alto, often falsetto - (see Russell Oberlin distincts True Countertenor from Falsettist YouTube clip)
Heldentenor
Poweful dramatic tenor voice
Baritone
Middle Male Voice, low G/F an octave below middle C to B, F or G above middle C (just below the Tenor high C).
Bass
Baritone - More like a bass than a baritone, lacks the low bass notes
Bass
Low Male Voice, low E (or lower) an octave below middle C to E, F G above middle C.
Basso Cantante
High bass voice suitable for solo singing
Basso Profundo
Deep bass voice encompassing about two octaves above C below the bass staff
Source: http://www.vocalist.org.uk/vocal_range_key.html
For the record I have no idea what my range is either.
deeaa
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Ok, so what is the guitar low E? Is that the low E as in piano as well? That is the lowest I can go with natural voice now, and I recall some singing teacher saying I am bass. Used to be able to go dropped D pretty easily but no more.
From there on, hm, I don't know really how do I find the correct C's and whatnot on the guitar...probably even less on a piano. LOL.
From there on, hm, I don't know really how do I find the correct C's and whatnot on the guitar...probably even less on a piano. LOL.
Brian Krashpad
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deeaa said:
Oh, I have no idea either.
My daughter used to do some acting and I saw the procedure done during the audition/rehearsal process.
street music
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Ok, this thread needs some additional help, let's find examples of the vocals and see what each thinks their voice is.
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Found some decent videos here in a playlist - http://www.youtube.com/user/EricArceneaux#grid/user/2D20B0E1A509CA38
Have a look. They guy is an R&B singer.
Have a look. They guy is an R&B singer.
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Lots of great answers here. Anything I would have chimed in with has been pointed out by someone else. I've played guitar for 16 years and did not dare to sing a note in front of anyone until about a year ago. As you may guess, it was absolutely terrifying.
I was in a band with a great singer for 5 years, and when our band broke up we decided to stick together and do our own thing. Now I've taught him to play rhythm acoustic and he taught me a couple things about singing.
A lot of people have said it already, but it's really all about confidence. We are all animals after all. If you're terrified and you get up at open mic, the audience can smell that fear. If the people watching have a doubt in their mind about how good you are, it's because YOU put it there. In my opinion, a good player/singer is just someone who practiced properly and knows how to be a confident salesman in front of a crowd.
Another thing to consider is that if you're struggling to play and sing at the same time, play to a metronome and start by making sure you change chords in the right spot. If theres one thing i've learned since I started singing while playing, it's that once you open your mouth and words come out, no one cares what your hands are doing as long as the chords change when they should.
I'm a hardcore perfectionist about nailing guitar parts, but learning to sing and actually singing lead with a band has taught me so much that I wish i'd have realized years ago.
I think everyone in a band should spend time at least tinkering with every instrument in the band. If we all understand each others role more clearly, then it's way easier to stop waiting your turn and just make good music instead.
if anyone wants to check it out, heres a song i wrote for my wife, one of my first stabs at singing lead for the band:
www.soundcloud.com/the-stones-throw/shots-fired
I was in a band with a great singer for 5 years, and when our band broke up we decided to stick together and do our own thing. Now I've taught him to play rhythm acoustic and he taught me a couple things about singing.
A lot of people have said it already, but it's really all about confidence. We are all animals after all. If you're terrified and you get up at open mic, the audience can smell that fear. If the people watching have a doubt in their mind about how good you are, it's because YOU put it there. In my opinion, a good player/singer is just someone who practiced properly and knows how to be a confident salesman in front of a crowd.
Another thing to consider is that if you're struggling to play and sing at the same time, play to a metronome and start by making sure you change chords in the right spot. If theres one thing i've learned since I started singing while playing, it's that once you open your mouth and words come out, no one cares what your hands are doing as long as the chords change when they should.
I'm a hardcore perfectionist about nailing guitar parts, but learning to sing and actually singing lead with a band has taught me so much that I wish i'd have realized years ago.
I think everyone in a band should spend time at least tinkering with every instrument in the band. If we all understand each others role more clearly, then it's way easier to stop waiting your turn and just make good music instead.
if anyone wants to check it out, heres a song i wrote for my wife, one of my first stabs at singing lead for the band:
www.soundcloud.com/the-stones-throw/shots-fired
deeaa
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You've got it man, that's all very insightful!
About the confidence...suggestion is a powerful tool. Much more powerful than people usually give it credit for. Stuff like confidence can be built by self-suggestion. Simply make yourself think you're confident and you can do it, and it becomes a reality. Just like quitting smoking or something - it's all down to how well you manage to tell your brain it's easy to do actually. Just tell yourself you can and you will.
Smoking actually is a prime example of negative self-suggestion...every cigarette company and quitting-aid company wants you to believe it's nigh impossible to quit, and they've managed to get it be 'common knowledge' with their idiotic claims like 'nicotine is more addictive than heroin' etc...
It's all just shaite, it's very easy to quit smoking if you really want to, but the hard part is to deconstruct the years and years of suggestion built by people telling you it's hard to stop, it's addictive, etc...that's the hard part. And it's so easy to give in to those voices when you crave another...
People will believe anything when it's suggested especially over a long time, and it becomes a reality for them despite it might be completely imagination. The whole reason ideas like those forbidden to be talked about on the forum still exist despite they can be easily proven to be nothing but tales, and still people take them for real.
About the confidence...suggestion is a powerful tool. Much more powerful than people usually give it credit for. Stuff like confidence can be built by self-suggestion. Simply make yourself think you're confident and you can do it, and it becomes a reality. Just like quitting smoking or something - it's all down to how well you manage to tell your brain it's easy to do actually. Just tell yourself you can and you will.
Smoking actually is a prime example of negative self-suggestion...every cigarette company and quitting-aid company wants you to believe it's nigh impossible to quit, and they've managed to get it be 'common knowledge' with their idiotic claims like 'nicotine is more addictive than heroin' etc...
It's all just shaite, it's very easy to quit smoking if you really want to, but the hard part is to deconstruct the years and years of suggestion built by people telling you it's hard to stop, it's addictive, etc...that's the hard part. And it's so easy to give in to those voices when you crave another...
People will believe anything when it's suggested especially over a long time, and it becomes a reality for them despite it might be completely imagination. The whole reason ideas like those forbidden to be talked about on the forum still exist despite they can be easily proven to be nothing but tales, and still people take them for real.
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Time for an update to an old thread. I haven't gotten very far in my singing attempts, but I do sing more in the car now, and I think I'm a little bit better. I still feel like it's difficult to hold one note steady in pitch. For some reason, my voice wavers a bit. I'm very good with hearing the notes in my head - intervals, harmonization, chords and all that stuff - I know it inside out, but that's in my HEAD! My voice isn't always following my brain that well.
I seem to have a low register. I can't sing along to that many tunes, because the vocals are too high.
You experienced singers, keep adding suggestions!
If you want to do note exercises, this seems like a useful video:
Mr Frudua has an entertaining video here:
I seem to have a low register. I can't sing along to that many tunes, because the vocals are too high.
You experienced singers, keep adding suggestions!
If you want to do note exercises, this seems like a useful video:
Mr Frudua has an entertaining video here:
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