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stingx said:
Oh and Robert, everything typed in a forum regarding discussions like these are ALL opinions. I wasn't looking to sway your opinion or **** on your parade, just stating mine. Maybe it's the way I read your typing but I always end up feeling you take issue with my posts for some reason or another. This is why I haven't been so active as of late. I dunno, maybe it's me. I am not a professional musician so I wouldn't treat anything I say as such. I would have loved to have pursued that route but it wasn't in the cards. Instead I sold my soul to corporate America. I rather enjoy differences in opinion on many topics. There have even been instances where even a jaded old fool like me has even strayed off the beaten path :) :beer:

Cheers!
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He does seem rather sensitive to difference of opinions...but whatever you do though, dont diss(have a differing opinion of) Jimi!:thwap:
Ive all but given up on posting differing opinions around here(unless I cant absolutely help it)...kinda seems like everybody else follows suite.

I really dont see the "quality" either...looks like a "hand built" SX.
BUt when you say "quality" what exactly are you referring to? I see some decent flamed bodies...maybe a flamed or birdseye neck...bolted together with some decent hardware...but really? $3000?????
Maybe its the fancy inlaid name on the headstock?
I just dont see Gibson($3000) quality....given Ive never played one(Suhr), so maybe thats why I cant see the appeal.
I also dont understand why intonation implies quality...they could have a jig that they use to set up bridges, but even if they do have somebody hand intonating these...its not like you pick up a guitar in a store and just because its in tune does that imply its a higher quality than one thats not in tune.
Setup is just setup...a properly setup Squier is still a Squier, even though it will play nicer than one thats not.
But then again, thats just my observations and opinions...this guitar must really be talking to you.
 
I think he's worried about misinformation. This is a very subjective topic because where Robert seems to see the worth in this I fail to. I DO agree Suhr makes great guitars. I would never say anything to the contrary regarding the quality of those instruments. I understand why they command the price they do (cost, quantity, etc) but I don't see the logic in spending the money because I don't feel you're getting THAT MUCH BETTER an instrument for the substantial amount of money more you have to spend on it. This is, again, just my opinion. Now mind you, I am the biggest hater of cheap guitars so I am in no way advocating a 180 degree turn here either. :rotflmao:

In the end, you do what you want with your money. It's that simple.
 
But is the quality really better than "Custom Shop"?????

Seriously, anybody...look at the competition at less than the $3000 mark...I just dont see the comparison other than its Fender body style. When I look at a Gretsch I see quality, I see craftsmanship...granted, they may be junk, I dunno, but I am able to see where the money is.
 
Just to add to the debate, Carvin makes a nice strat style guitar, the Bolt that can be had for less than $1000.

Carvin also sells the Bolt Plus and the Contour 66 which are also very reasonable.

What I keep coming back to is that a bolt-on neck guitar like a strat can be built pretty much by semi-skilled labor. The body and neck are carved out by a CNC machine.

OTOH, a luthier like Suhr puts only the best woods into his guitars. He and/or his staff most likely hand-pick the woods based on lots of experience. Corporations like Fender and Carvin probably don't do this to the same extent that Suhr does. So one thing I can see as an advantage with Suhr is that you're paying for consistency. I can't count how many times I've seen a $1000+ strat that was total crap: mis-aligned strings, poorly cut nuts, mis-aligned pickguards, poorly dressed frets, etc. Even the Bolt I ordered a few years ago was a dog. I ended up sending it back, but I would try Carvin again.

tung
 
stingx said:
That's a question that is up to the consumer to decide. It's too subjective to accurately answer.
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I agree it is debatable and a product is only worth as much as a person is willing to pay for it.

A "copy" some say? Yes, in the same way a Mercedes is a copy of a Ford Model T.
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Did Mercedes ever make a car with the same body style as a Model T Ford...with all of the same(similar) features????

I see one major difference, that could be appealing...flat radius neck.
12 different neck options???
 
tunghaichuan said:
OTOH, a luthier like Suhr puts only the best woods into his guitars. He and/or his staff most likely hand-pick the woods based on lots of experience. Corporations like Fender and Carvin probably don't do this to the same extent that Suhr does.
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Im sure Warmoth and the like do a similar method of hand picking.

So one thing I can see as an advantage with Suhr is that you're paying for consistency. I can't count how many times I've seen a $1000+ strat that was total crap: mis-aligned strings, poorly cut nuts, mis-aligned pickguards, poorly dressed frets, etc.
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Yeah, but thats a $1000+ guitar(not that it should be acceptable even at that level)...but a $2000+ Custom Shop model??????
 
Great...now Ive killed the topic:whatever:

You know , if the guitar really is that great, all my bantering should only be reinforcing the idea of purchasing it, but you should be able to defend what qualities make it worthy of that price point...you may not have to defend/justify the products cost to me, but you will have to justify it to loved ones as well as yourself....and Im pretty sure repeated use of the word "quality" wouldnt be enough in my household.

How much is a Marshall anyways???
 
I don't know what you want to hear. I think the Suhr is better than any Fender I've ever played, including Custom Shop Strats. That's all. I don't have to justify the price - I haven't bought it yet! But if I do buy it, let's say I think I've earned a good guitar over the years. I would be getting rid of a lot of low key stuff in order to fund it.

If you need to know details about the Suhr guitars' construction, feel free to ask Suhr Guitars at www.suhrguitars.com.

Hope this qualifies as an answer.
 
stingx said:
I dunno, Warren, Z's are a tad flashy, dontcha think? Very beep beep :rotflmao:
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yeah....just a tad! :pancake: really more like a work of art than a "player"....

and i've gotta ask....what's the story with your avatar....self portrait? :whatever:

ww
 
So recently...I sold a more expensive guitar to finance a less expensive guitar. You guys can bash me for that if you want. :D I did it because I WANTED TO! Besides I had money left over to pay off the new Boutique pedal (thanks again Voo) and still have $100 left to buy new archery products thanks to ted s. :D
 
I don't have to justify the price - I haven't bought it yet!
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But if you do buy it, you will have to justify it, and on multiple levels, and to the most random of people.

Robert said:
Hope this qualifies as an answer.
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Sure, if thats all youve got.
For some reason I feel like Im walking on egg shells, like StingX, I feel like my line of questions annoy you...and I already know my difference of opinion isnt appreciated, but legitamately I am trying to learn where to place the value in this guitar...normally features dictate value, or how its built, etc...

And I have followed the links, Ive spent the better part of the day reading about Suhr...and as a matter of fact the link you just provided had some interesting reads, for example:

Suhr Guitars is a complete facility. We design a hand-built feel into designs produced with modern technology. We cut our own necks, bodies and pickguards on our state-of-the-art CNC (Computer Numeric Control) routers. Each guitar is detailed prior to paint and assembly. This allows us complete control over quality and consistency of our guitars. These are truly hand-built guitars, each assembled by one builder. We wind our pickups on a computerized winder that allows us to program a consistent "hand-wound" pickup, using a balance of old world tone and modern technology. Our fret slots are CNC cut, all frets are leveled and re-crowned, all edges removed and polished. Our paint process ensures that the beauty of the wood shines through and contributes to the tone of the instrument. We fully endorse the Buzz Feiten Tuning System for the best in intonation and tuning accuracy. Tight neck fits, accurate string alignment and consistent friendly neck back shapes are considered a de facto standard that we replicate in every guitar we build. All this leads to a guitar that you won’t want to put down.
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I know you said the intonation was spot on...but why the need for the Buzz Feiten???? Thats totally a set neck guitar feature, usually, right???

Robert, his Limited Editions and One Offs are truely amazing guitars to look at, I can see the value and where the money is going(even if they are $7000+)...but with most of the other models I feel youre paying for the CNC machines that actually produce these guitars, for such a small company, who sells limited numbers of guitars...all for the sake of "handmade feel" in a "Strat type" guitar.

Dude, its $3000....aim for the stars!
 
It's all a personal thing, isn't it? If I save up 3 grand I might want to spend it on a Suhr. Somebody else might spend that on a holiday, or a new fridge, or whatever.

I do appreciate different opinions and views, but I don't feel like I have the time and effort to try and convince someone that my choices are well justified. It's all a personal choice. If someone doesn't like my choice of gear purchase, I don't really care at all about that. I'm buying stuff for myself, not for someone else.

Feel free to have different opinions - I am totally okay with that! I just hope we can all do so in a positive manner.

I thought the Buzz Feiten system works for any type of neck?
 
Robert said:
I thought the Buzz Feiten system works for any type of neck?
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It does work for any type of neck, but generally its for set neck type guitars that arent capable of being intonated properlly...like a poorly made Les Paul or SG type of guitar with a set neck and limited adjustability to the bridge.

On a high end guitar that claims to be handbuilt(by CNC machine) to exacting tollerances...and then assembled by hand, by one man and one man only...then why cant they get the intonation right without it?
The only way youd need it is if the neck needed shimming because your saddles couldnt accomdate proper intonation...and shimming wasnt an option.

Robert said:
It's all a personal thing, isn't it? If I save up 3 grand I might want to spend it on a Suhr. Somebody else might spend that on a holiday, or a new fridge, or whatever.

I do appreciate different opinions and views, but I don't feel like I have the time and effort to try and convince someone that my choices are well justified. It's all a personal choice. If someone doesn't like my choice of gear purchase, I don't really care at all about that. I'm buying stuff for myself, not for someone else.

Feel free to have different opinions - I am totally okay with that! I just hope we can all do so in a positive manner.
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Okay Robert, how possitive are you going to sound, when a young guitarist at your church approaches you with interest about your brand new $3000 guitar...tell him that whole schpeal! Tell him you "dont have the time to justify it"!
Whatever you do, dont waste your time expalining it to me either...Im kinda done being interested in your topics.
And now that I think about it, it wasnt your glowing review of the Vox AD50 that sold me...it was your playing and the tone that came out of it...but in the sake of being possitve and time constrants Robert, dont bother explaining that to me....Im not youthful, nor do I goto your church....I just belong to a discusion forum which you started, thanks for the discussion...feel free to flip the "ban switch" on me now...cause Im sure I stepped out of the possitive box somewhere during this topic...and as much as you claim to appreciate differing opinions, aside for typing out "I dont mind..." your replies dont indicate that, it kinda seems as if it upsets you...and you dont even own this guitar yet.
 
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Playing and equipment are different animals. I will sound like me on a 25 dollar guitar as well as on a 3 thousand dollar guitar. I would tell anyone to get a guitar that's good and that they can afford. That could mean a Squier '51, a Fender, or anything that's a decent instrument really.

If you want to know why I had an expensive guitar, I would say because I've played guitar for over 25 years, and I finally decided to get a top-of-the-line instrument. I don't need it, exactly. I could just get a decent Fender Strat and be fine with that. I would not tell people that they need a Suhr in order to sound good. That would be a complete lie.

People who like playing golf may buy really good clubs (may be expensive). People who like fishing may buy some really good rods and equipment (may be expensive). People who like hunting may buy some really good rifles (may be expensive). See a pattern?

If you don't like my answer - I can't help you!

I am writing this answer up in case others are interested. I have done my best to explain all this.
 
But see Robert, and I think you just hit the nail on the head...its just an expensive guitar.

If you cant tell me or anybody else about the guitar and what makes its so high quality...then thats all it is, expensive.
So right now youve got feel and tone...those are priceless, were in agreement?
Is it actually "handmade"?
What kind of pickups are those anyways?
What about that bridge? Does it offer any sonic differences like a Glenndale or similar?
Those tuners, what about those? A $3000 guitar has got to have some impressive tuners, no?
And what about that Buzz Feiten system?
There really isnt alot of answers on that site...Im sorry, Ive got questions...youre going to get similar ones from other people, warm up to it.

Im gonna go play guitar now...I have no idea why Im so interested in this conversation.:thwap: Oh yeah, its a $3000 guitar, thats why!:thwap:
 
ShortBuSX said:
...I have no idea why Im so interested in this conversation.:thwap: Oh yeah, its a $3000 guitar, thats why!:thwap:
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It's because you see someone that you feel may be making a mistake.

If I may step in (because I always am attracted by a train wreck). I think you brought up some very good points. I also think that Robert isn't a foolish man (gassy yes, but not foolish). Because he is not foolish, I believe he will or has read what you've written and taken it into consideration. He owes it to himself to do so before dropping $3,000.

At the end of the day it's his decision and despite what you say, his love for this guitar is what it's all about (oh, and his wife saying that it's ok).

And my final words - BUY A SEMI HOLLOW BODY GUITAR!!!
 
Robert you get that guitar 3 grand for something nice is nothing.In my low end racing of cars one bad move or blown tire and that's 50 grand but it's a blast,you work hard,if it costs 5 grand and its the cats meow get it.You won't regret it.Sumi:D
 
Geez, guys--LIGHTEN UP!! You know, I could understand all this poking & prodding if all Robert had done was read their ads, look at their catalog, or surf their website. But he PLAYED the Suhr, and it spoke to him. We all know the guy has played umpteen guitars, especially Strat types. And it should be obvious to anyone who frequents this forum and who has viewed his videos and witnessed his playing that he knows whereof he speaks on such matters. So if this guitar thrilled him and he feels it's worth 3,000 of his hard-earned dollars, who are you, me or anyone else to demand that he justifies himself publicly?? Seems to me that he has already done so, not that it's really needed. My suggestion is that we all just freakin' drop the subject!! This one has gotten out of hand, and for no good reason, IMO.... :thwap: :whatever:
 
just strum said:
or mine.

My next wife will be a guitar playing wife, like a few folks here.

and my current wife's next husband can fix the kitchen sink.
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Strum, being from Cleveland, can you please tell me where the term "Cleveland steamer" came from?
 
ShortBuSX said:
It does work for any type of neck, but generally its for set neck type guitars that arent capable of being intonated properlly...like a poorly made Les Paul or SG type of guitar with a set neck and limited adjustability to the bridge.

On a high end guitar that claims to be handbuilt(by CNC machine) to exacting tollerances...and then assembled by hand, by one man and one man only...then why cant they get the intonation right without it?
The only way youd need it is if the neck needed shimming because your saddles couldnt accomdate proper intonation...and shimming wasnt an option.
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You are missing some of the mechanics here. The Feiten system compensates for the discrepancies in string tension and fret spacing. These issues are not correctable using the methods you mention. Another similar system is Earvna and the nuts Music Man uses on their guitars. They all compensate for the issues ALL guitars have. They are therefore not generally "for set neck type guitars" but all guitars.

So there is a big plus for a compensated system. I have it on 2 guitars and the difference between them and conventional systems is extremely noticeable. In my opinion all guitars should come with compensated nuts but for some reason it is being reserved for higher end guitars. Come on companies it's only a few cents more to put these on. (are you listening?)
 
Folks, I have mixed feelings about how this thread developped. To me it was a participant of this forum telling us about the instrument that seems to be the instrument of his dreams. Uttering opinions is absolutely okay as long as the one who opened the thread doesn't have to justify (when there is no need to justify), and in this case it seemed to me like if the person had to explain why he would like to spend the pile of money on that instrument that some declare as not worth the price.

My brother recently planned on buying a handmade pair of Italian shoes that cost him 1000€!!! I would never ever spent the money on shoes, but I supported him in his plans because I knew that these shoes were what he was looking for and that they would make him happy! That's what it is all about! Being happy and satisfied everybody in his own way!

I believe that this wasn't a thread about discussing in the manner of a surgeon about the quality of this guitar - ALTHOUGH OF COURSE EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL HIS THOUGHTS!

That is just my two cents and I am still convinced that this guitar is perfect for Rob!

Have a nice day my friends

Jimi
 
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Jimi75 said:
Folks, I have mixed feelings about how this thread developped. To me it was a participant of this forum telling us about the instrument that seems to be the instrument of his dreams. Uttering opinions is absolutely okay as long as the one who opened the thread doesn't have to justify (when there is no need to justify), and in this case it seemed to me like if the person had to explain why he would like to spend the pile of money on that instrument that some declare as not worth the price.

My brother recently planned on buying a handmade pair of Italian shoes that cost him 1000€!!! I would never ever spent the money on shoes, but I supported him in his plans because I knew that these shoes were what he was looking for and that they would make him happy! That's what it is all about! Being happy and satisfied everybody in his own way!

I believe that this wasn't a thread about discussing in the manner of a surgeon about the quality of this guitar - ALTHOUGH OF COURSE EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL HIS THOUGHTS!

That is just my two cents and I am still convinced that this guitar is perfect for Rob!

Have a nice day my friends

Jimi
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Hey Jimi,

I agree with you 100% that in no way should Robert have to justify his purchase. I disagree in that everything is up for discussion on a discussion forum, within reason of course. I think it's good to get all angles on what people think on topics and it is great to have so many varied opinions. No comments seemed inappropriate in this particular thread. If Robert didn't want feedback then he never should have posted this in the first place. Same for any topic. Why post anything at all if all you're looking for is to have your ego stroked? Anyway, Robert is a big boy and will do as he pleases and if this particular guitar does it for him then that's really all that matters...what anyone else thinks or comments on is pretty much moot.
 

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