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sumitomo said:
I have some dumb questions,do I have to do the 1.7,then the 2.0 and now there is a 2.01,also am I reading right the midi in goes into the m13 out,and m13 in goes into the midi out,cause that confuses the heck outta me? Sumi:D

the lastest release on the line6 website contains all previous updates so you only need to do one. Yeah, I had cables in the worng way too but when it wouldn't work I reveresed them and started again. Can't remember now which way is correct, the line6 community forum is full of advice on how to do the upgrade. There might be a little trial and error but it does work, just give yourself about an hour and follow the instructions 'to the letter'.
 
I wasn't having any sucess,so I followed instructions until the loading,them went through the menus and picked the one I felt might work,Now I'm a bonehead!!!! Sumi:D
 
The 2.1 update is for the M9. There is no gain putting that version into the M13. Stick with 2.0 when updating the M13.
 
Spudman said:
The 2.1 update is for the M9. There is no gain putting that version into the M13. Stick with 2.0 when updating the M13.

2.01 fixes relative mode if you run your pedals from right to left. Relative mode rules so the update is worth it on M13 as well.
 
richrenken said:
2.01 fixes relative mode if you run your pedals from right to left. Relative mode rules so the update is worth it on M13 as well.

Now I remember. I read what the updated did on another thread and realized that it didn't apply to me since I run left to right. Thanks for correcting me.
 
Welcome Rich! Thanks for joining us! I am a Toneport UX2 user and may well get one of these units sometime in the next year or so. I appreciate you dropping in to join out discussion. Spud sure loves his!
 
Chesbro Music in Idaho Falls Idaho is blowing out most of their Line 6 products and Spider Valve amps. Call toll free at 1-800-CHESBRO and ask for Doug for prices. From what he mentioned to me the prices are very good. The M13 is $399 along with serious reductions on all Line 6 products in stock.
 
Oh my! this is awesome!every thing is clearer,more separate,and this EQ's are great now to figure out these wah's.Sumi:D
 
sumitomo said:
Oh my! this is awesome!every thing is clearer,more separate,and this EQ's are great now to figure out these wah's.Sumi:D
Ain't it cool! You're going to have so much fun finding your sound. It's simple and fun...unlike every processor I've had in the past.

Look for a Big Kahuna with an M unit to be chiming into our thread very soon. Maybe early next month.:gossip
 
It might be a great unit, but i wouldn't sell all my pedals to buy one. Imagine being on stage and it dies on you, then what? The trouble with these kind of units is that next year they bring out another model with better efffects and you end up selling it so you can have the next lot of effects which you never really use.

Im sticking to my Boss pedals, not let me down so far.
 
updated my M9 last night... WOW !!! its like having another board....for free !!!! Before I knew it it was 2.30 am and well.... decided to get some zzzz's.

:applause to Line 6! :goodjob

now where is that "talent" drive ??? :notme
 
guitartango said:
It might be a great unit, but i wouldn't sell all my pedals to buy one. Imagine being on stage and it dies on you, then what? The trouble with these kind of units is that next year they bring out another model with better efffects and you end up selling it so you can have the next lot of effects which you never really use.

Im sticking to my Boss pedals, not let me down so far.

If the unit dies your signal continues because it's true bypass. Also, it won't become obsolete any more than your analog pedals will. In fact you can't improve the sounds of any of your pedals without soldering. This just takes a software update and not only do the sounds get improved but on the last update we probably got $2,000 worth of free pedals.

What happens when your analog pedals die on stage?
 
guitartango said:
It might be a great unit, but i wouldn't sell all my pedals to buy one. Imagine being on stage and it dies on you, then what? The trouble with these kind of units is that next year they bring out another model with better efffects and you end up selling it so you can have the next lot of effects which you never really use.

Im sticking to my Boss pedals, not let me down so far.

Your right,it's ok and all that but pedals are the way to go we should just delete this thread and talk about something else.(now I know what Lev was talking about) Sumi:D :bootyshake :AOK
 
Spudman said:
If the unit dies your signal continues because it's true bypass. Also, it won't become obsolete any more than your analog pedals will. In fact you can't improve the sounds of any of your pedals without soldering. This just takes a software update and not only do the sounds get improved but on the last update we probably got $2,000 worth of free pedals.

What happens when your analog pedals die on stage?

A dilemma as old as FX units.

As a rule, I try to keep things simple. I've had a multiFX unit die on me on a gig, with a single fault robbing me of every effect and setting I had. I've had MIDI gear have a battery fart or something and revert to factory settings 20 minutes fore gig. I've witnessed a major band delay their concert because the guitarist's multifx-amp 'crashed'. With analog pedals, you only lose one pedal, not the whole chain.

But then again, I've had a simple channel switcher die twice on a gig. Once a blown tube. I saw Danko Jones live and his simple Hiwatt head just up and died in the middle of the gig. I've had someone pour beer all over our mixer and end the whole gig with that.

Be it an analog pedal or a multifx unit, I'd bring a spare. Well for these it'd be a bit steep to have one just for backup :-> Anyway, there's always a possibility of failure and it's just a matter of the degree of failure and what do you decide you can cope with and/or be ready to deal with.

So, either way there are things to consider about any piece of gear. If I used the M9 or 13 I'd probably haul an old OD pedal for me anyway. I used to carry a Tech-21 Tri-AC pedal along with my amp for years, so that if my tube rig died, I could go D/I.

But my feeling on multi-units in general...well to start with, IMO it's no use saying '2k worth of free pedals'...2k worth of scrap metal on my yard would be worth 2k but quite unnecessary and unwanted. If I ever get me one of these, it'll be used as an OD nevermind if it baked my bread & mixed me martinis or whatever on the side; and for that it is kinda expensive. And I seriously doubt it'll beat my current OD in sound quality too. But I'd sure like to try it; always on the lookout for good sound stuff and good sounds.

I guess the bottom line for me is...multiFX units and FX in general are best for hobbyists, home recording guys, top-40 bands and those who want to mimic a certain sound, or just plain tweak their tones ad nauseam and forever. Is there any guitarist really famous for using such and such FX or gizmos? No. Maybe The Edge comes close but I do believe he mostly uses analog pedals and studio FX anyway.

If some guitarist is famous for his sounds - nevermind what he endorses or shows off on stage - he's probably done it in the studio with a very specific mix of old skool amps, great guitars, simple gear. Like Nirvana always boasted using Fender Jaguars and PA amps with OD pedals - what did he use in the studio? Yep the producer's vintage Les Paul and a Mesa/Boogie amp.

Using multiFX units to create your own unique sound is like painting by numbers; it's always going to be limited by what the designers set as parameter limits and basic tonal ranges. You can't solder a new op-amp in or try totally insane settings which send some internal component into haywire mode and produce a completely new sound - it's all digital, and even if it sounded better than anything else anywhere, ever, it's still a faximile of the real thing because of the way it was built and designed.

Don't get me wrong; I have plenty of multiFX units under my belt and have used them to great results in my home studio, POD XT, Boss-GT6, Boss Me-50, Behringer crappolas to name a few.

They are great for many uses...even for live...but...still not the real thing.
 
guitartango said:
It might be a great unit, but i wouldn't sell all my pedals to buy one. Imagine being on stage and it dies on you, then what? The trouble with these kind of units is that next year they bring out another model with better efffects and you end up selling it so you can have the next lot of effects which you never really use.

Im sticking to my Boss pedals, not let me down so far.

I understand what you are saying. But......

1. The M13 has, for instance, the DL4 models in it. The DL4 just celebrated its 10th year anniversary and is still the number one selling delay pedal. So next year we will not be coming out with a new model with a better DL4 in it. It is an industry standard.

2. What we did this year (a year after M13 came out) is GIVE away a free update with 20 new models and a bunch of cool features.

Now, as far as sticking to your Boss pedals, Boss pedals are killer. You can't go wrong.

:)
 
deeaa said:
I guess the bottom line for me is...multiFX units and FX in general are best for hobbyists, home recording guys, top-40 bands and those who want to mimic a certain sound, or just plain tweak their tones ad nauseam and forever. Is there any guitarist really famous for using such and such FX or gizmos? No. Maybe The Edge comes close but I do believe he mostly uses analog pedals and studio FX anyway.

Well, first of all in the edge's main rig he runs a DM Pro. That is the DM4 rack mount version we did just for him and he runs a POD 2.0. He uses on his small board a DM4 and DL4. Plus he has many digital effects in his rack. He uses everything. I know what you are saying here but it is not true.

Here is a list of pro guys using the M13/M9 that I can think of off the top of my head. Live and in the studio.

Jeff Schroeder - Smashing Pumpkins
Billy Corgan - Pumpkins
Lisa Harriton - Pumpkins
Kris Pooley - Pumpkins
Lee Ritenour
Glen Pearce - Micheal W. Smith
Chris Rodriguez - Keith Urban
Justin Meldal Johnsen - NIN Beck
Ronda Smith - Prince
Renato Neto - Prince
Minus the Bear
Steve Pedulla - Thursday
Johnny Marr
Shim - Sick Puppies
John Jorgenson
Matt Scannell - Vertical Horizon
Bobby Harty - David Ruis, Brenton Brown
Dave Jerden/Bryan Carlstrom - Producers-Alice in Chains, Offspring, Stabbing Westward, etc.
John Shanks - Producer
Both Amir and Ryan from Chester Bennington of Linkin Park's Dead by Sunrise, Julien-K, Orgy.

There are many more I just can't think of.
So there are a few that use them.

This is not to say that you should not drop everything and go get an M. What you are doing is working for you and that is awesome, just don't look down on guys who want to use one as if they are compromising or just not smart enough or rich enough to use a pedalboard or whatnot. :)
 
richrenken said:
Well, first of all in the edge's main rig he runs a DM Pro. That is the DM4 rack mount version we did just for him and he runs a POD 2.0. He uses on his small board a DM4 and DL4. Plus he has many digital effects in his rack. He uses everything. I know what you are saying here but it is not true.

Well then it's exactly as I said - he uses studio (rack) gear and lots of it too?

I'm not saying DL4 etc. aren't great delays and industry standard these days.

The issue was never about Line6 stuff not being good - quite contrary. I use it and like it myself.

The issue is, would you rather have, say a Dl4 and a boss Od and a Line6 Od pedal on your board and create your own unique mix of them, or would you rather just use a single unit for everything, which IMO significantly reduces changes to get unique sounds or your own sounds, and indeed sort of also 'puts your eggs in a single basket'. No matter what brand multiFX unit it is.

What comes to the list of artists...well many of these guys are hardly known for their signature guitar sounds anyhow, but that's beside the point too. The issue is, again, if Lee Ritenour uses, say a POD, would he be using it direct-to board and solely, OR would he still also run thru his Vibroluxes and Mesa/Boogies as well to get his signature sounds?

That is the point I wanted to make. The problem therein is, perhaps many aspiring musicians can't afford that tube amp and some selected pedals and the M series as well, they have to make selections to which they wager their money on. And if I had to choose between having a good tube amp and a nice OD pedal or the M series to be played D/I as my only rig, I'd get the simple amp first. I'm pretty sure Mr. Ritenour would also keep a mesa or something if faced with having to choose just one piece of gear.

But by no means I look down on the gear itself; I've no doubt its great and all that, but it's just that multiFX units usually, for us regular folk, not just another toy that adds to sounds we use, but a choice of either using it 100% and sell all else to pay for it, or not.
 
Hey Rick..

I d like to hear or see a recent and complete demo of the upgraded M13 or M9..
 
Guys

I never wanted this to be a flame war or say line6 stuff is c*** far from it. I too have a toneport, V-amp2 and a zoom multi-fx pedal, all OK but lacking something (maybe they all sound toooo digital). But don't go selling all your pedals for something which will be outdated in a years time. A friend of mine has been playing for 20 years and still uses the same four pedals, OD,Wah,Compressor and a delay, do you need anything else to get great tone?

guitar products seem to be going the same way as Tv's, computers i.e buy it this year and throw it out next year as next years product will be the "next best thing".
 
guitartango said:
Guys

I never wanted this to be a flame war or say line6 stuff is c*** far from it. I too have a toneport, V-amp2 and a zoom multi-fx pedal, all OK but lacking something (maybe they all sound toooo digital). But don't go selling all your pedals for something which will be outdated in a years time. A friend of mine has been playing for 20 years and still uses the same four pedals, OD,Wah,Compressor and a delay, do you need anything else to get great tone?

guitar products seem to be going the same way as Tv's, computers i.e buy it this year and throw it out next year as next years product will be the "next best thing".

What makes you think this will be outdated? It's a pedal board.
 
Oh come on guitartango you know we like to shuck and jive around here.I'm not gunna get rid of my pedals either.I can see myself playing other styles of music now,cause I am really liking the tones! Got my first gig,I was playing around with the looper and synths and my daughter came in and wants this errie loop thing I did at her Halloween party.Just more colors on the pallett.Sumi:D
 
Spudman said:
What makes you think this will be outdated? It's a pedal board.

So you think it's gonna stay like it is for the next 20 or so years? Hmm.

IS the M series a collection of programmable stomp boxes or is it a modeler?
If it's a modeler, what is the difference between it and, say a POD or a GT-10 or some Zoom for instance? Isn't the only difference the approach to how you arrange and get to the effects - a big difference, yeah, but could you not replicate its functions also using like one or two PODs and a large MIDI controller? It's a very nice thought but I really doubt this thing will be getting better and better with free updates till the end of time, or that there won't be a significantly better version of the thing released in a year or a few, just like with any POD etc.

Anyway the main issue is: I've yet to hear a digital ANYTHING that sounds as good as analog. All I need to do is plug in a digital-based pedal between my amp and OD pedal and my sound goes from great to mediocre. I've tried every digital reverb unit I have been able and none have sounded even as good as the amp without any verb. What I'd need is a real tube driven spring reverb, but they are too expensive. But all these Digiverbs and revboosts and whatnot seem to be a simple way to ruin the sound for me.

That's not to say I don't love digital D/I stuff, I do significantly more recording using digital D/I gadgets such as pods etc. and they are GREAT for that, but this thing is supposed to be used with your 'live' rig and the question is whether it will be a.) up to scratch sonically compared with cheap yet proven analog stuff that sounds great b.) is it worth the money to have umpteen sounds you may or may not need really.

Now please don't get me wrong. I'm not simply dissing the thing. If I could get one cheap or endorsement (we actually talked much about trying to get some sort of endorsement/special support from line 6 after we hit our first two million listens on our songs at soundclick as we all save one guy used Line6 gear but I suppose we never did, and I guess it'd have been in vain anyway ) , I'd use one with pleasure and I'm sure I could get some incredibly good sounds from it. Same as with any quality gear, I have never used a piece of gear like that I couldn't have used for a lot of things, as a rule modern gadgets really are very good. POD XT for instance - GREAT tool.

BUT I've also spent over 20 years perfecting what I want, going through a dozen guitars and pickups to find what I like (EMG 85+SA) and lots of amps EL84 based p-t-p amp) and signal chains (near-direct to tube, just an OD in between) and even string sets and all-custom built guitars, low-wattage vintage (1976) speakers, and for that rig, I am extra super critical about stuff I can add - or remove. Basically

I have tried my POD before my amp, as well as a PSA.1 and whatnot, and nothing really seems to work like a direct or almost direct line from the mics to the amp. That's where I'm leery.

But I'd like to try this. I have an open mind. But even more so I'd love to test the latest POD and/or say the AxeFX thing because for D/I and recording those are so good. I just wonder how good can a digital programmable unit sound with a fully analog tube rig.
 
In my previous experience with multifx units I've always found one or two useable tones, dozens of mediocre tones and quite a few god awful fizzy 'digital' sounding crap.

With the M13 I've found dozens of useable tones and some truely outstanding FX. Now maybe my ears aren't tuned into the subtle nuances in tone between digital analog etc. but I know the tone I want in my head and this thing delivers for me (using a Am Dlx Strat into a Tube HRDlx amp).

I also have never used 90% of the original modelled stomp boxes on here and frankly I can't tell if they sound anything like the original and to be honest I don't care. I use this unit to create a tone that works for me and this unit gives me a pallet of tones that I've never got from any other unit (digital or otherwise).

I never gig without a backup guitar, or amp so I'm sure I'll continue to throw an OD pedal and a delay in my gig bag just in case. I've no concerns about reliability of the M13 but if you're being paid to play a gig you need to be professional enough to bring backup gear.
 
Robert said:
Oz Noy is also using the M13 nowadays, isn't that so?

Ok, this is now officially my favorite forum. You guys know about and post about Oz. He is a killer player. Yes, he uses M13. He has been messing with the M9. He has been using DL4s for years. Just saw him play at the Catalina bar and grill a couple weeks ago, amazing. :)
 
deeaa said:
Well then it's exactly as I said - he uses studio (rack) gear and lots of it too?

I'm not saying DL4 etc. aren't great delays and industry standard these days.

The issue was never about Line6 stuff not being good - quite contrary. I use it and like it myself.

The issue is, would you rather have, say a Dl4 and a boss Od and a Line6 Od pedal on your board and create your own unique mix of them, or would you rather just use a single unit for everything, which IMO significantly reduces changes to get unique sounds or your own sounds, and indeed sort of also 'puts your eggs in a single basket'. No matter what brand multiFX unit it is.

What comes to the list of artists...well many of these guys are hardly known for their signature guitar sounds anyhow, but that's beside the point too. The issue is, again, if Lee Ritenour uses, say a POD, would he be using it direct-to board and solely, OR would he still also run thru his Vibroluxes and Mesa/Boogies as well to get his signature sounds?

That is the point I wanted to make. The problem therein is, perhaps many aspiring musicians can't afford that tube amp and some selected pedals and the M series as well, they have to make selections to which they wager their money on. And if I had to choose between having a good tube amp and a nice OD pedal or the M series to be played D/I as my only rig, I'd get the simple amp first. I'm pretty sure Mr. Ritenour would also keep a mesa or something if faced with having to choose just one piece of gear.

But by no means I look down on the gear itself; I've no doubt its great and all that, but it's just that multiFX units usually, for us regular folk, not just another toy that adds to sounds we use, but a choice of either using it 100% and sell all else to pay for it, or not.

Very well said. I am totally tracking with you now.

The one thing I would say about the M13/M9 though is that with 109 effects, that is a virtually endless number of combinations to create new crazy sounds. :)

Check out this YouTube for fun.
http://www.youtube.com/user/crxshdxmmy#p/u/0/XxjRGIPv8Ds
 
Blaze said:
Hey Rick..

I d like to hear or see a recent and complete demo of the upgraded M13 or M9..

There are a lot of great videos of users using them on YouTube. We have a basic video on our website for the M9.
 
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