Looking at Macs
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deeaa
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ibanezjunkie said:
Can't watch the TV ads because 'Quicktime required' and I will not install any Apple software on my machine if there is any way to avoid it. If there are any programs that cause more problems than Apple's I sure wouldn't want to even hear about them.
deeaa
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BTW these guys sell a platform (and complete machines) that allow you to use a Mac OS among others on your machine:
http://www.psystar.com/
That way you can save half your dough and not be handicapped by Apple's limitations.
My friends boots between Linux, Snow Leopard and Win7 and Win Xp on his machine just for the hell of it. So far I've been only using Linux and Xp on my main machine, but today I'm also installing win 7 along with them.
I'll install win7 also on the NC10 minimachine. Maybe I should try the Snow Leopard as well...although my hatred for macs is pretty deep rooted, I once had to use one for a year at work.
http://www.psystar.com/
That way you can save half your dough and not be handicapped by Apple's limitations.
My friends boots between Linux, Snow Leopard and Win7 and Win Xp on his machine just for the hell of it. So far I've been only using Linux and Xp on my main machine, but today I'm also installing win 7 along with them.
I'll install win7 also on the NC10 minimachine. Maybe I should try the Snow Leopard as well...although my hatred for macs is pretty deep rooted, I once had to use one for a year at work.
deeaa
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SuperSwede said:
Actually from what I've been reading it's vice versa, the Apple OS might not have the drivers for all PC components. Plus Apple is doing its best to include software blocks that try to detect whether the hardware is made by Apple before it allows it to run...but it's met with a lot of opposition on that front. Apple makes its money by selling hardware, not their OS. And the last thing they want is users to understand that the hardware is just the same as on PC and no better quality either; only restricted every which way so Apple could sell hugely overpriced hardware with it. Very hard to get to editing system files etc. and seeing what's actually happening on a mac...they don't want you to be able to do it.
I like Apple's stuff well enough for style etc, just not the OS and some of the hardware such as the horrid mice and them glossy monitors are just terrible. And then the rest is overpriced.
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Ibanez.....Mcafee is worse than having no a/v at all. If you want to use a free a/v look and see if avg has a mac version.
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markb said:
Well..ehrm.. it wasnt meant to be serious..
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deeaa
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markb said:I've added a smiley. Happy now?
Deeaa, you're just not getting the point of the slogan "it just works", are you?
LOL :applause yeah I guess. I just have had such bad experience.
There have been book written about the appeal of mac and windows os:es to different people...for me it's the lack of transparency in the macs.
I want to be easily able to tweak and find out about the system...I seriously dislike for instance icons that come and go on the desktop...I want to make it like I want it and that's it. Even on windows I always turn off all effects and everything...I also config it so I can see entire file paths instead of icons, and the file suffixes and also hidden and system files. I want to put certain types of documents on a different hard drive as other and when I make backups etc. I want to do it manually. I want to modify the startup files, and BIOS settings to get the most of my machine. I want to build RAID arrays and run multiple OS's like Linux as well. I want to low-level edit a 1,5TB disk to be 1T so it will run faster and run my system disk cache on the 1st partition of my fastest disk. My current machine is built to be 3.0/800 and I run it at 3,6/1066 the minimum. And now and then I want to play Stalker and Call of Duty online. And I still use the command prompt for manually writing some DOS commands. All things I don't even know if they're possible on a mac. A lot of the stuff is also harder to do in Windows these days, and you have to manually change the options if you want to, for instance, see system files and put "My Documents" somewhere else than default.
Maybe using Macs is somehow easier&simpler for some people but for instance when we had macs at work, 2 out of 3 of my USB memory sticks just would not work on them. Don't know why. Of course my classroom materials from the last 10 years was made with Excel, word etc. so it was hell to get them open on a mac as well. It always felt really hard to find out how can you do stuff...like, say I get this file which is RAR packed off the net and includes an NFO file I'd like to open in a text editor. How does that happen? On windows, I just right-click and pick an app to open it, depending how I want to view it. But there's no right click on a mac? Where do you find a huge selection of software for it for free? Or Toast would simply freeze when making a disc...and what do you do? Can't find a taskmanager and kill the culprit and go on, although there must be one on mac as well. Maybe it's in a big part just something you'd have to find out before trying. I just ended up in booting the whole system a lot of the time because it just would not respond or I had no clue what was it expecting from me.
Another big part is the programs. I'm sure there are lots of programs for mac as well, you'd just have to know them. Me, I like using a separate program for everything I do. Just for editing and viewing photos, I think I have close to a dozen different programs on my PC. In many cases I _could_ do the same things within one program (like photoshop does have a browser etc.) but it's just much simpler to have Picasa, Anysee etc. for various types of browsing and handling needs. And there's gazillion programs for PC. Want to do most anything you come up with - say, create a morph of your face into a dog's face - and you can find a dozen programs to do it on PC in five minutes. Just install all of 'em and see what works best. I think I have a couple of different morph programs on my machine now
markb
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Horses for courses, Deeaa. I could answer just about every one of your points above re Macs (command prompts, right click, etc) but it would get dull for everybody.
Sorry you've had a bad Apple experience. I've had a good one. The time I've saved not having to maintain my systems has more than paid for the extra cost of the hardware.
Sorry you've had a bad Apple experience. I've had a good one. The time I've saved not having to maintain my systems has more than paid for the extra cost of the hardware.
djmcconnell
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I've been a Mac user since 1986 -- through all of the ups and downs. It's still the only computer I would ever spend money on.
I use a PC at work now, and it's OK. It's a tool. Like a store-brand hammer. If you want a comfortable hammer -- or a nail gun -- get a Mac.
Much better user experience from my perspective.
I use a PC at work now, and it's OK. It's a tool. Like a store-brand hammer. If you want a comfortable hammer -- or a nail gun -- get a Mac.
Much better user experience from my perspective.
SuperSwede
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markb said:I've added a smiley. Happy now?
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Hello,
What is the cheapest way to get microsoft word, power point and excel on an iMac? I need these for the kids school work? I know you can buy a Mac office program or you can install and run windows in some way but I was wondering which way would be cheapest.
Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
M
What is the cheapest way to get microsoft word, power point and excel on an iMac? I need these for the kids school work? I know you can buy a Mac office program or you can install and run windows in some way but I was wondering which way would be cheapest.
Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
M
sunvalleylaw
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If you have a student in school, (and since you say you need it for your kids' school work) you should qualify for the student version, at a fraction of the normal cost.
http://www.google.com/products/cata...ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDIQ8wIwBA#ps-sellers
http://www.google.com/products/cata...ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDIQ8wIwBA#ps-sellers
deeaa
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Yeah exactly, and for some schools even lower. I paid about 18 dollars for the 2007 Office Enterprise through the school. Vista 64bit Pro would have been something around 10 bucks, but I opted to pay a bit over hundred for the OEM version of w7 - I don't know when w7 will be available thru our school licencing system.
sunvalleylaw
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I generally prefer Safari, but it is really preference. Certain websites sometimes like Firefox better, such as when I am a seller on ebay, though I think the Safari issues have been worked out there mostly. But I have and use both.
markb
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M29 said:
http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php
Fully compatible with MS files. I've been exchanging files with Office users for years and no one's ever noticed the difference.
sunvalleylaw
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The standard usb cable that comes with the Toneport works great with Gearbox and Garageband. Nothing else required.
ted s
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markb said:
OpenOffice is another option, I haven't tried neooffice, are you able to make a comparison between the 2 Mark ?
I picked up an i Mac last week and I used it for a few days and went out of town. After returning I now notice the cooling fan being quite loud, (air movement not mechanical noise). Is this common? I don't remember it being that loud last week when I first got it.
Thank you for your time and help.
M
Thank you for your time and help.
M
sunvalleylaw
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I can hear mine when it comes on, but it is not all the time, and is not loud. I might call the apple help line for warranty assistance just to be sure. My older intel iMac (white case) does go through periods where the fan is on a bit. Nothing else ever happened, so i have not worried about it. It is well past warranty at this point.
Oh, that reminds me, you can buy the extended warranty before the expiration of the one that comes with your machine, and though I have not always done that, I think it is a good idea. I have used it before on other machines (quite a while ago now) and the service was worth it when I needed it.
Oh, that reminds me, you can buy the extended warranty before the expiration of the one that comes with your machine, and though I have not always done that, I think it is a good idea. I have used it before on other machines (quite a while ago now) and the service was worth it when I needed it.
SuperSwede
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M29 said:
My iMac (previous generation) is dead silent except for when the dvd drive is in use. My older white G5 imac did was very loud when the fans kicked in.
I downloaded a widget, I think that is what it is called to keep an eye on the temps in the computer. I think this is a start-up issue though. It depends on how I turn it on and whether I pulled the plug from the wall or not. It hasn't done it since so I will see where it goes.
I like it so far.
I like it so far.
sunvalleylaw
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I am glad you like it. My experience is like Swede's. My newer (late 07) iMac is absolutely silent, but my old white one makes noise. If it keeps being noisy, I would call Apple just because.
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