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Yeah, pretty hard to avoid that news this morning. It's kind of strange to celebrate the death of someone, yet if there is such a thing as a justifiable killing, this seems to be it. I wonder how things will play out from this point on.
 
Finally, a break in the royal wedding coverage! :yum

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As a former firefighter, I remember watching with horror the loss of 343 fellow firefighters at the WTC. No celebration today, but at least a sigh of justice filled relief.

Not a time for politics, just a time for unity and reflection. In the security environment, this changes nothing. Unfortunately, you cannot kill the Hydra by cutting off only one head.
 
If it hadn't been for guitar forums, I wouldn't have known about this last night.
If this is true, and I hope it is, then good riddance.
 
FrankenFretter said:
If it hadn't been for guitar forums, I wouldn't have known about this last night.
If this is true, and I hope it is, then good riddance.
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Well, the President held a special news conference to announce it, so it's a serious hoax if it isn't true.

On a music-related note: the only reason I heard the news last night is because I was watching videos on The CoolTV. On of the (many) John Mayer songs I can't stand came on so I flipped over to the associated NBC station to see Brian Williams bringing news of the impending news conference.
 
Also...

Gunned down in a firefight in a mansion? They totally stole that from Scarface.
 
It just hit me... This is one of those "I remember what I was doing/where I was when I learned about _________" kind of moments.
We all remember what/where we were on 9/11, and now the circle is complete.

I was at work then, and again last night, at work. I remember vividly the details 10 years ago. Rigging up a make-shift antenna to our office's video conference TV, looking over and seeing tears in a co-worker's eyes. A gentle man named Ali from Pakistan. He mentions that everything will be different from now on, and he was right.

Sadly for you Rev, you'll be stuck with some songs you can't stand in your association! :poke
 
I remember 9/11 vividly. I woke up before my alarm, which almost never happens. I turned on the "Today" show, which I almost never do. I saw the first tower burning. Not long afterward, I was watching when the second plane hit the other tower. I was driving to a pastors' study group later and listening on the radio about the other plane at the Pentagon and the one in Pennsylvania. I just remember praying for it to stop.
 
Body buried at sea... The conspiracy theories are starting already! :) I am worried that this is going to leave a power vacuum in Al-Quida and who is going to fill it. Some one worse than Osama....
 
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mapka said:
Body buried at sea... The conspiracy theories are starting already! :) I am worried that this is going to leave a power vacuum in Al-Quida and who is going to fill it. Some one worse than Osama....
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Perhaps someone more deranged, but OBL's real danger lie in the fact that he was such a powerful orator, leader etc. Inspired LOVE from his followers. Those types are few and far between. I think that anyone trying to fill the void will be unable to maintain/communicate the degree of passion for the campaign that OBL did, and even he was witnessing a strained network, if reports are true.

I too remember that morning in Sept vividly. Beat a threatening motorist to work on my bicycle durning my routine morning commute (a euphoric event), and then someones family member called and told us about a "plane accident". We were able to rig a tv in time to watch the second plane hit the towers. I only learned later that the pilot of the first plane was a guest at my sisters wedding, and my good friend from high school was in Tower 1 at the time. the latter survived, getting out as soon as the first plane hit, the former of course, was dead before the plane hit the building.

I think this is the only possibly healing outcome. I hope against hope that his identity is confirmed for the masses, beyond any possible doubt. We need to move on. My hats off to the people involved. It appears this was a well managed operation on every level. It's about time something was executed properly. No pun intended.
 
"I've never wished a man dead, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure." Mark Twain
 
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." - Mohandis K. Gandhi
 
I have a hard time celebrating anybody being killed, but in this case I think that the US had an obligation to go after this guy. What he orchestrated on 911 was an act of war. Him being gone won't bring any of those people back who lost their lives on 911, but it does provide some amount of closure knowing that the key person behind those attacts had to pay a price for their act.
 
mapka said:
Body buried at sea... The conspiracy theories are starting already! :) I am worried that this is going to leave a power vacuum in Al-Quida and who is going to fill it. Some one worse than Osama....
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Apparently, he wasn't involved in "operations" planning as he was in the past. Communications had to be limited in order to remain hidden. The compound was double walled and designed to be defended, except the SEALs came in by helecoptor zip lines. Edit: Here's a timeline of the operation. He became more of a figurehead/spiritual leader, which is more powerful in this case.

Burial at sea adhered to the Koran while keeping the body out of reach from followers wishing to memorialize it.
 
The head of the SEALS unit has to be a guitar player......instead of playing double-stops he went for a double-tap on OBL's head.
 
Fox News didn't find out who died yet. See below. Perhaps be careful to not hire editors and news anchors with Dyslexia, Fox. :messedup:

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jpfeifer said:
I have a hard time celebrating anybody being killed, but in this case I think that the US had an obligation to go after this guy. What he orchestrated on 911 was an act of war. Him being gone won't bring any of those people back who lost their lives on 911, but it does provide some amount of closure knowing that the key person behind those attacts had to pay a price for their act.
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Odd thing is that nobody knows for sure if he did orchestrate 911. The FBI only wanted him for all the other attacks they were associating with him. The FBI does not list him as being wanted for 911. Still, he was a bad guy and should have been dealt with in some way that kept him from perpetuating Al qaeda. I'm glad that he's gone, but I don't support killing. Now we'll never know the truth about many things that might help get the USA back on track. I'll bet plenty of that knowledge died with him.
 
Hard to support killing in any context. In this case, I'll make an exception and will take whatever karmic consequences come my way for it. But it's also hard to question his involvement in the 9/11 attacks and a host of others as well, and I'd have to see any effort at doing so as revisionist and counterproductive.

Really, at this point, finally getting him was more symbolic than anything else. It tells the world that we will not stop coming after these terrorist monsters, even ten years later. I'd like to say that this will bring about the end of the terrorist era, but it won't. Not even close. So I'm gonna go home, put in a Led Zeppelin CD and play along with The Lemon Song. That'll make me feel better.

What are y'all gonna do?
 
scruff said:
So I'm gonna go home, put in a Led Zeppelin CD and play along with The Lemon Song. That'll make me feel better.
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I thought "Ten Years gOne" would be a better fit! :digit
(oh, I kill me sometimes :notme)

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jpfeifer said:
I have a hard time celebrating anybody being killed, but in this case I think that the US had an obligation to go after this guy. What he orchestrated on 911 was an act of war. Him being gone won't bring any of those people back who lost their lives on 911, but it does provide some amount of closure knowing that the key person behind those attacts had to pay a price for their act.
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You know, it's strange: for as much as people are viewing this death as recompense, I viewed the merit of it more in how it will impact the future. I would call it a good thing if the end of Bin Laden hurts the efforts of al Qaeda and helps put the war in Afghanistan on ice.

I think that this thread has shown me that many are looking at his death as closure on the past, which I do believe is the common sentiment. It's interesting to me to see the different perspectives.

BTW, I'm embarrassingly uneducated when it comes to most of this, so please forgive me if I'm spewing inaccuracies.
 
Is "Ten Years On" a LZ song? I only know of "Ten Years Gone".
 
Eric said:
I think that this thread has shown me that many are looking at his death as closure on the past, which I do believe is the common sentiment. It's interesting to me to see the different perspectives.
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What this thread has shown me is that despite our varied perspectives on an issue this sensitive we can all still interact like adults and respect each other's opinions. I know we usually avoid discussions like these around here that can touch on political issues or other lightning-rod type things, but it's very refreshing to see that this thread has been up all day and has generated nothing more than civil discourse. Good for us. :)
 
Robert said:
Fox News didn't find out who died yet. See below. Perhaps be careful to not hire editors and news anchors with Dyslexia, Fox. :messedup:

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I've gotten so cynical over the years that I don't think that was an accident by Fox.
 
I used to have a very loose suspicion that OBL was a fiction to provide cover by the upper-echelon leadership to do disagreeable things. I didn't hold very tightly to that idea and am glad to see things turn out this way.
 

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