Speakers Comparaison

[Blaze]

Interesting vid here ..

Comparaison of Celestion Vintage 30, G12-H30, K100, M70, Seventy 80, Gold Tone, Greenback, G12T-75, Jensen Alnico 12,
JBL M222, EVM12L, Tone Tubby 40/40, Tone Tubby San Rafael 25, Eminence Tonker and Eminence Swamp Thang..

Make your choice...

 

[tot_Ou_tard]

Yeah Blazes, I listened to that a while back.

....I can't remember which I preferred.

How about you?

 

[M29]

I had seen it too. Very helpful. I hope he didn't have that mic fall out of that holder during the tests...

Thanks Blaze It is a good vid to take a listen to every now and then.

M

 

[Neal]

Thanks Blaze. That was a great comparison

 

[Blaze]

Yeah Blazes, I listened to that a while back.

....I can't remember which I preferred.

How about you?

Vintage 30 -- Greenback -- G12T-75

 

[M29]

Once the video is fully loaded, it is interesting to randomly click in the red bar at the bottom and hear the differences right away.
I wish they would have demoed my fav the Blue.

M

 

[Spudman]

That was really helpful. Thanks.

There are so many speakers on the market and it makes it hard to figure out what to choose. That demo really helps to hear the subtle and not so subtle differences. There are still more that I'd like to hear because I've got a couple of speakers that eventually I'd like to replace. That demo narrowed it down a little bit.

 

[majwild1]

I am a weber speaker believer, I run 1 silver bell and 1 blue dog in my 2x12 new vintage, and 2 california 12's i my twin ( same as a jbl d120f ) Ted(RIP) was a awsome sound engineer, and thankfully he taught TA his son all of his knowledge.

 

[Radioboy950]

I've always preferred the warmth and punchiness of V30...the frequencies are pleasing to my ears. Top is there without the shrill.
This is what I had in my Rivera combo.
My preference has not changed after listening to the demo (which is really a nice speaker shootout).

 

[epi0205]

Great find on the shootout Blaze!
I thought the EV sounded pretty good, Have some
older EV7300 amps in a P.A. Stable gear!
Thanks Blaze!
V30 gets my vote...

 

[tot_Ou_tard]

I am a weber speaker believer, I run 1 silver bell and 1 blue dog in my 2x12 new vintage, and 2 california 12's i my twin ( same as a jbl d120f ) Ted(RIP) was a awsome sound engineer, and thankfully he taught TA his son all of his knowledge.

How do you like the Silver Bell?

 

[duhvoodooman]

Man, the V30 and the Greenback both sound awfully good....

 

[Retro Hound]

I had no idea the differences could be that great just from a speaker change! I really really love the Vintage 30!

 

[duhvoodooman]

I really like that Eminence Swamp Thang, too--big, open sound.

That Tone Tubby San Rafael is apparently much less efficient than most of the others--very noticeable volume decrease, and I think it greatly influences the perception of the speaker's tone, not in a good way. I've read good things about this speaker, but you wouldn't know it from this video clip.....

 

[Bloozcat]

My favorite speaker combo (this month ) is the Celestion G12H30 and the Vintage 30 together in a 2X12 cab (I actually have a G12H30 and a WGS Veteran 30).

Tight bottom; warm, punchy mids; smooth highs. Funny, but to me the highs with the Vintage 30 alone sound a little harsh or shrill. I don't hear that with the WGS Veteran 30, and in combination with the Celestion G12H30 it's really balanced.

That is a great video demo. Only place I've ever heard each speaker in rapid succession with the exact same riff played over and over. Good stuff!

 

[duhvoodooman]

My favorite speaker combo (this month ) is the Celestion G12H30 and the Vintage 30 together in a 2X12 cab (I actually have a G12H30 and a WGS Veteran 30).

Tight bottom; warm, punchy mids; smooth highs. Funny, but to me the highs with the Vintage 30 alone sound a little harsh or shrill. I don't hear that with the WGS Veteran 30, and in combination with the Celestion G12H30 it's really balanced.

AAMOF, I've been thinking about buying a mixed pair of speakers from WGS to install in the 2x12 Drive cab I bought a couple of years ago. There are a pair of lower end Eminence Legends in it now that are a bit dull & nondescript. I've been leaning toward a Veteran 30 & a Green Beret, their Greenback clone.

 

[Commodore 64]

DVM, I have a WGS Green Beret in my 1 x 12" cab.

Listening to those clips, I definitely think I like the Vintage 3 and the Swamp Thing better. I dunno how much about my sound is my cab though, it is so boomy...it's a VHT cab I got on CL. It's a closed back, front loaded cab...I'm resisting the temptation to cut out the back to lessen the "boom".

 

[Blaze]

AAMOF, I've been thinking about buying a mixed pair of speakers from WGS to install in the 2x12 Drive cab I bought a couple of years ago. There are a pair of lower end Eminence Legends in it now that are a bit dull & nondescript. I've been leaning toward a Veteran 30 & a Green Beret, their Greenback clone.

Green Beret looks interesting as well, i ve purchased an Eminence (Greenback Legend)GB128 for a small cabinet I ve recycled to fit with my Blackstar Ht 5 head.. I like it a lot .Speaker sensivity is 101.4 which is pretty good for a $70.00 speaker.. Always Question of taste obviously..

 

[Bloozcat]

AAMOF, I've been thinking about buying a mixed pair of speakers from WGS to install in the 2x12 Drive cab I bought a couple of years ago. There are a pair of lower end Eminence Legends in it now that are a bit dull & nondescript. I've been leaning toward a Veteran 30 & a Green Beret, their Greenback clone.

That combo ought to work, especially with the WGS speakers.

A lower end combo that I've played through and liked is the Eminence Legend 125 (older 50 watt version) and the Eminence GB12. Sorta like a Greenback/C12N Jensen combo. Of course, it depends on the amp too.

 

[majwild1]

How do you like the Silver Bell?

I love the silver bell, nice crisp cleans and tight low end, I would recommend for british tones amps, same with the blue dog, mixing the 2 together works really well.

 

[deeaa]

I thought the Jensen P-12M sounded perhaps the best of the bunch.
Also like the Greenback (that's what I have, although mine are 1976 built and I think less trebly) and the Celestion 75 is one of my faves.

I didn't like the V30 so much; I've had those too and it sounds too 'polished' for me - initially it's got impressive low and high end but soon gets tiring - it's like those Loudness knobs on stereos or SuperSpatial etc. enhancers, sounds great at first but then you realize it's too much.

 

[BigBadWolf1171]

i liked the v30's, they sounded crisp and loud. as im battling muddyness with both of my cabinets (behringer and a cheap marshall) i may try these in one of my cabs..

 

[deeaa]

i liked the v30's, they sounded crisp and loud. as im battling muddyness with both of my cabinets (behringer and a cheap marshall) i may try these in one of my cabs..

That should work; I tried that with a friend's muddy Behringer 4x12" cab with some Jensens and one overly shrill 2x12" cab with V30's that I had - we swapped the speakers around and both sounded better! Those darker, middy Jensens were just right for the 15" all-tube amp that had some ugly bright overtones when cranked, and the V30's nicely battled the deadness of the Behri cab.

He's swapped to T75's now, though.

 

[BigBadWolf1171]

That should work; I tried that with a friend's muddy Behringer 4x12" cab with some Jensens and one overly shrill 2x12" cab with V30's that I had - we swapped the speakers around and both sounded better! Those darker, middy Jensens were just right for the 15" all-tube amp that had some ugly bright overtones when cranked, and the V30's nicely battled the deadness of the Behri cab.

He's swapped to T75's now, though.

im glad i took a sec and listened to those different speakers, i was almost dead set on eminence texas heats, but after hearing the v-30's , those are for me.. i even tried stuffing the behringer with badding and all it did was deaden an already muddy sound, very disappointing. where is the muddyness coming from? is it the cabinet? the speaker?ive done endless reading on the affect of cabinet material, as it ends up for every 1000 opinions, there was 1000 different ones..

 

[deeaa]

im glad i took a sec and listened to those different speakers, i was almost dead set on eminence texas heats, but after hearing the v-30's , those are for me.. i even tried stuffing the behringer with badding and all it did was deaden an already muddy sound, very disappointing. where is the muddyness coming from? is it the cabinet? the speaker?ive done endless reading on the affect of cabinet material, as it ends up for every 1000 opinions, there was 1000 different ones..

I dunno - it's pretty heavily built with non-resonant materials I guess, and the internal space is also probably less than ideal for higher transients to be reinforced. But it's a very sturdy cab and with bright speakers it's quite good for the price IMO. Seems to be best favored by metal players, maybe because it has little coloration and not too much high end.

Mind you, it always depends on the amp...some amps it seems just won't play along with a 400W Marshall cab for instance while others thrive on top of 'em.

 

[BigBadWolf1171]

I dunno - it's pretty heavily built with non-resonant materials I guess, and the internal space is also probably less than ideal for higher transients to be reinforced. But it's a very sturdy cab and with bright speakers it's quite good for the price IMO. Seems to be best favored by metal players, maybe because it has little coloration and not too much high end.

Mind you, it always depends on the amp...some amps it seems just won't play along with a 400W Marshall cab for instance while others thrive on top of 'em.

yeah the price is what lured me in for such a big cab(heavy too). as i look back now i wished i didnt get something so big,as honestly ive never been able to turn it up enough to get the speakers rockin enough to give a honest opinion on the whole cab set up.when i saw it in zzound's catalog all i pictured was every 80's hairband video,lol and got lured in.. i did all my reading on cabinet material affects on sound for the purpose of building another cabinet as ive dealt with carpentry and fabrication for many many years, however i couldnt come to a conclusion on the best material to use..birch plywood being most pointed to..

 

[Commodore 64]

yeah the price is what lured me in for such a big cab(heavy too). as i look back now i wished i didnt get something so big,as honestly ive never been able to turn it up enough to get the speakers rockin enough to give a honest opinion on the whole cab set up.when i saw it in zzound's catalog all i pictured was every 80's hairband video,lol and got lured in.. i did all my reading on cabinet material affects on sound for the purpose of building another cabinet as ive dealt with carpentry and fabrication for many many years, however i couldnt come to a conclusion on the best material to use..birch plywood being most pointed to..

I have a front loaded, closed back VHT 1 x 12".it is really boomy and bassy. Is your cab open back? I'm thinking of making mine open back.

Like you, I'm considering building a cab. I will be doing an open back (or convertible back) 1 x 12". There's a good plan for 1x12" here: http://www.ax84.com/corecabinets.html

 

[deeaa]

Guys, FWIW, while I think open backs sound great especially the bluesier or more reverby a sound you're after, they're a real pain in the *ss in comparison when on gigs etc, unless you're running all amps just 'live' onstage, not thru a big PA system.

The problem with open backs is that they radiate pretty much the same volume also towards the back, which can be a big problem in that a.) they may reflect weirdly every which way b.) they may be heard in places you don't want 'em (like if the other guy uses a D/I POD etc. system and the other an open-back amp, you hear the open back only in most of the venue) and c.) open-back cab sound can change drastically if you are forced to put it in small spaces or up agaist the wall.

One cab I always liked a lot was a 4x12" that was missing two speakers...sounded much like an open cab, airy etc. but still projected well forward.

Just my experience of course. A convertible cab would solve most issues.

 

[BigBadWolf1171]

I have a front loaded, closed back VHT 1 x 12".it is really boomy and bassy. Is your cab open back? I'm thinking of making mine open back.

Like you, I'm considering building a cab. I will be doing an open back (or convertible back) 1 x 12". There's a good plan for 1x12" here: http://www.ax84.com/corecabinets.html

both of mine are closed back, but its really only the behringer thats boomy errr actually it sounds like, almost echo'y or hollow, there was a few speakers in this comparision that had somewhat the same sound. what material will you use?

 

[BigBadWolf1171]

Guys, FWIW, while I think open backs sound great especially the bluesier or more reverby a sound you're after, they're a real pain in the *ss in comparison when on gigs etc, unless you're running all amps just 'live' onstage, not thru a big PA system.

The problem with open backs is that they radiate pretty much the same volume also towards the back, which can be a big problem in that a.) they may reflect weirdly every which way b.) they may be heard in places you don't want 'em (like if the other guy uses a D/I POD etc. system and the other an open-back amp, you hear the open back only in most of the venue) and c.) open-back cab sound can change drastically if you are forced to put it in small spaces or up agaist the wall.

One cab I always liked a lot was a 4x12" that was missing two speakers...sounded much like an open cab, airy etc. but still projected well forward.

Just my experience of course. A convertible cab would solve most issues.

i had gave the 4x12 with just 2 speakers a thought before,as i enjoy testing different things. a 4x12 with removable back or even removable 2-piece back would be interesting thing to test out. if the reading i did is correct about cab material ,in lay terms, one would want the sound waves ring off the material and come thru the speakers as apposed to more or less soak in to the material ?