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A little responsible coverage of the so-called "epidemic" from the Chicago Tribune...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-sci-swine-reality30-2009apr30,0,5923718.story

(EXCERPTS)

In fact, the current outbreak of the H1N1 virus, which emerged in San Diego and southern Mexico late last month, may not even do as much damage as the run-of-the-mill flu outbreaks that occur each winter without much fanfare.

(...)

Just because the virus is being identified in a growing number of places -- including Austria, Canada, Germany, Israel, New Zealand, Spain and Britain -- doesn't mean it's spreading particularly quickly...
 
sumitomo said:
Shiner this one-legged woman,her name wasn't Lean na was it:rotflmao: Sumi:D


Don't know Sumi. I usually find that the less I know about that particular lawyer's private life, the better.:messedup:
 
just strum said:
Or Ileane. I hear she has brother with no arms or legs - his name is Matt. They also raise cows with no legs, ground beef.

Matt has a cousin that floats around the ocean, his name is Bob.
 
We had the same guy show up at our front door. He never made it in so we just left him there and started calling him Matt.
 
My current "All Swine All the Time" playlist

Pigs On the Wing Pt 1 - Pink Floyd
Piggies - The Beatles
Piggy - Nine Inch Nails
Guyute - Phish (the song is about a pig)
Pigs (Three Different Ones) - Pink Floyd
Happy as a Dead Pig in the Sunshine - Kaki King
War Pigs - Black Sabbath
Swine - Elvis Costello
Pigs On the Wing Pt 2 - Pink Floyd

Any other ideas?
 
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For a potentially pandemic flu, this H1N1 isn't spreading very rapidly. And it's not sweeping through all segments of the population indiscriminently.

I can see five possible scenarios for this virus:

1) It continues to spread at the current pace and dies out as the weather grows warmer (northern hemisphere).

2) It continues to spread but mutates some, becomes more virulent, people get sicker, more deaths, but still dies out as the weather grows warmer.

3) It dies out (as in scenarios #1 or #2) but comes back next fall for next flu season as a stronger flu, but nothing much different than a regular seasonal flu.

4) Virus infects an individual in Asia who's already infected with H5N1 (bird flu), and the virus reassorts, swapping DNA and turning into a reall killer.

5) Virus infects a pig in Asia that's already infected with H5N1, reassortment occurs causing a deadly pandemic as the virus successfully finds a way to jump from pig to human (not a stretch if you look at this current "swine flu" alone).

It wasn't the initial H1N1 strain that infected the troops at Ft. Riley in the spring of 1918 that turned out to be the deadly flu. That strain was very similar to this current H1N1 strain. It was the mutated strain that came back from Europe with the troops in the fall and winter of 1918/1919 that was the deadly pandemic.

If I was a betting man I'd go with prediction #1 and hope and pray that #3,#4, or #5 never happen.

BTW: Purell and other hand "sanitizers" like it are pretty much useless against viruses of any type. The "kills 99.9 percent of the germs that make you sick" is very misleading. The term "germ" means an organism that can't be seen with the naked eye, and both bacterium and viruses qualify. But, bacterium and viruses are very different from each other. If the product doesn't specifically say "kills viruses" then it doesn't.
 
Bloozcat said:
4) Virus infects an individual in Asia who's already infected with H5N1 (bird flu), and the virus reassorts, swapping DNA and turning into a reall killer.
Logic (and simple arithmetic) dictates that combining pri H1N1 & sub H5N1 would have to result in the sub H6N2... which, luckily for all, there is already a vaccine for.
Crisis averted!
 
In regards to the US, they had an interesting statistic on the news.

Every year 36,000 people in the US die from the flu - so far this latest case of the flu has killed 1. Of course the news wnet on to show clips of a panicky America and interviews with Doctors.
 
just strum said:
In regards to the US, they had an interesting statistic on the news.

Every year 36,000 people in the US die from the flu - so far this latest case of the flu has killed 1. Of course the news wnet on to show clips of a panicky America and interviews with Doctors.

Haven't you heard the story of "The Boy Who Cried Pandemic"?

That's how the media works around here.

Fear sells. Facts are boring.

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-sci-swine-reality30-2009apr30,0,3606923.story

(EXCERPT)

As the World Health Organization raised its infectious disease alert level Wednesday and health officials confirmed the first death linked to swine flu inside U.S. borders, scientists studying the virus are coming to the consensus that this hybrid strain of influenza -- at least in its current form -- isn't shaping up to be as fatal as the strains that caused some previous pandemics.

In fact, the current outbreak of the H1N1 virus, which emerged in San Diego and southern Mexico late last month, may not even do as much damage as the run-of-the-mill flu outbreaks that occur each winter without much fanfare.
 
I'm not often moved to defend the Federal Bureaucracy, but you gotta admit they're in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation on pandemic flu reporting. If the government downplays the threat and the flu suddenly mutates and gets real nasty, eveyone will scream, "where was the government, why didn't they warn us?". If they over-react it's, "oh yeah, cry wolf, just like 1976". And if it's a real, deadly pandemic flu that no one by God could stop, then it would be, "the government is useless, they should have been better prepared."

Now, as to the mainstream media and their over-hyping everything...I believe that there's a special place in the nether regions especially for them...:flamemad:
 
Bloozcat said:
I'm not often moved to defend the Federal Bureaucracy, but you gotta admit they're in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation on pandemic flu reporting. If the government downplays the threat and the flu suddenly mutates and gets real nasty, eveyone will scream, "where was the government, why didn't they warn us?". If they over-react it's, "oh yeah, cry wolf, just like 1976". And if it's a real, deadly pandemic flu that no one by God could stop, then it would be, "the government is useless, they should have been better prepared."

Now, as to the mainstream media and their over-hyping everything...I believe that there's a special place in the nether regions especially for them...:flamemad:
The Fed seem to be taking some pretty logical, reasonable steps for all of these things. I question the need for entire states to call of all sports and/or classes. The media is doing a superb job of making it worse than it needs to be.
 
[...] :D

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[sung to Carl Douglas' one hit wonder]

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everybody was swine flu fighting...
the cdc was fast as lightning
in fact it was a little bit frightening
the who fought with expert timing

they were funky, Roger Daltry and Peter Townshend
they were spanking planks up and spanking planks down...

========
 
texas is 2d next to new york right now with reported cases.

ask me if i'm worried.

it's the flu. stuff kills you.

we're going to the caribbean with another couple in june.

she was on the phone with me this week.

'you aren't going to cancel on us, are you?!'

i said

'honey, i don't care if primus is on the speakers, they serve us pork soda, there is a pig in my lap, and when the air masks pop down, instead of o2 they give us swine flu...

we're going on vacation...'
 
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Childbride said:
texas is 2d next to new york right now with reported cases.

ask me if i'm worried.

it's the flu. stuff kills you.

we're going to the caribbean with another couple in june.

she was on the phone with me this week.

'you aren't going to cancel on us, are you?!'

i said

'honey, i don't care if primus is on the speakers, they serve us pork soda, there is a pig in my lap, and when the air masks pop down, instead of o2 they give us swine flu...

we're going on vacation...'

You gotta love Texans....:AOK:

We've got a cruise planned for late June, early July from Boston, with stops in Maine, Nova Scotia, PEI, Quebec, and Montreal. We're going....
 
I am glad that I never have to worry about all this stuff that kills humans because my stepdaddy told me that I was $hit on a fence post and left in the sun to hatch!! Sumi:D
 
Oh no....!

The SWINE FLU's MUTATED.....!!
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Bloozcat said:
You gotta love Texans....:AOK:

We've got a cruise planned for late June, early July from Boston, with stops in Maine, Nova Scotia, PEI, Quebec, and Montreal. We're going....


[tired sigh] just got back from gram's today. the school districts there are completely shut down until 5/11. we're talking massive shutdowns. i deleted this from an earlier post on this thread, but i'm irritated. you shut down hundreds of schools [literally, in that area], when a lot of parents are currently w/o leave or possibly laid off and searching for employment.

those kids go to the mall. to the movies. to the parks, they seek each other out. so much at containing the contagion.

we will get a vaccine. people just need to calm down. i had more of a chance of dying in austin traffic today than i do of dying of swine flu.

and yes, i am going on vacation. just try and stop me. :D :D :D Blooz, hope your trip is awesome. :)
 
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

Questions and Answers Regarding Estimating Deaths from Influenza in the United States

How many people die from flu each year in the United States?

The number of influenza-associated (i.e., flu-related) deaths varies from year to year because flu seasons often fluctuate in length and severity. CDC estimated that about 36,000 people died of flu-related causes each year, on average, during the 1990s in the United States. This figure includes people dying from complications of flu. This estimate came from a 2003 study published in the Journal of the American Medication Association (JAMA), which looked at the 1990-91 through the 1998-99 flu seasons [10]. Statistical modeling was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate was listed as a respiratory or circulatory disease. During these years, the number of estimated deaths ranged from 17,000 to 52,000.

In 2009, CDC published additional estimates of flu-related deaths comparing different methods, including the methods used in the 2003 JAMA study. The seasons studied included the 1993-94 through the 2002-03 flu seasons [9]. Results from this study showed that during this time period, 36,171 flu-related deaths occurred per year, on average.

How did CDC estimate that an average of 36,000 people die in the U.S. each year from flu?

This statistic came from a 2003 JAMA study by CDC scientists [10]. The study used statistical modeling to estimate that during 9 influenza seasons from 1990-91 through 1998-99, an annual average of 36,000 flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate was listed as a respiratory or circulatory disease. A 2009 study that appeared in the journal Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses made a similar estimate for the 10 influenza seasons from 1993 to 2003 [9].

What are flu-related deaths?

Flu-related deaths are deaths that occur in people for whom influenza infection was likely a contributor to the cause of death, but not necessarily the primary cause of death.

Does CDC know the exact number of people who die from flu each year?

CDC does not know exactly how many people die from flu each year. There are several reasons for this: First, states are not required to report individual flu cases or deaths of people older than 18 years of age to CDC. Second, influenza is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications [12]. Third, many flu-related deaths occur one or two weeks after a person’s initial infection, either because the person may develop a secondary bacterial co-infection (such as a staph infection) [1,8,11] or because influenza can aggravate an existing chronic illness (such as congestive heart failure or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) [3]. Also, most people who die from flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples. Influenza tests are only likely to detect influenza if performed within a week after onset of illness. For these reasons, many flu-related deaths may not be recorded on death certificates. These are some of the reasons that CDC and other public health agencies in the United States and other countries use statistical models to estimate the annual number of flu-related deaths. (Flu deaths in children were made a nationally notifiable condition in 2004, and since then, states have been required to report flu-related child deaths in the United States through the Influenza Associated Pediatric Mortality Surveillance System).

What proportion of pneumonia and influenza deaths, respiratory and circulatory deaths and all-cause deaths are attributed to influenza?

For pneumonia and influenza (P&I) deaths, CDC estimates approximately 8,000 deaths are associated with flu. This represents 9.8% of P&I deaths. For respiratory and circulatory (R&C) deaths, CDC estimates approximately 36,000 deaths are associated with flu. This represents 3.1% percent of those deaths. For all-cause deaths, CDC estimates that approximately 51,000 deaths are associated with flu. This represents 2.2% of all deaths.
 
It's interesting to note the absence of infections in those over 50 from the current round of H1N1.

Scientists are beginning to believe that there might be some link between past H1N1 viruses and this current one...even though this one is technically novel.

"The phenomenom called cross-reactive antibody, does not mean that older people were infected in the past by this exact strain of flu. Rather, their blood contains proteins that were produced by their immune systems when they were infected by a different strain of H1N1, and that also react more weakly to the current strain."

"...H1N1 was the dominant strain of seasonal flu from 1918 to 1957, when it was replaced by the H2N2 strain that caused the 1957-58 pandemic."

In 1986 I had the only case of the flu that I can verify as a flu, and it was something awful...it was the sickest I'd ever been (I may have had some C strain flu's, but they presented like nothing more than a bad cold). That was an H1N1 strain that had re-appeared as the dominant strain once again three years earlier.

So, as a typical 50+ individual, I've been exposed directly and indirectly to several H1N1 strains of flu over the years. I'm hoping that the current train of thought turns out to be true...:AOK:
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/swineflu/news/may0609age.html
 
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