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What kind music lover are you?

  • Jazz lover

    Votes: 8 22.9%
  • Blues lover

    Votes: 18 51.4%
  • Acoustic player

    Votes: 7 20.0%
  • 50's rock

    Votes: 3 8.6%
  • 60's rock

    Votes: 8 22.9%
  • 70's rock

    Votes: 16 45.7%
  • Metal

    Votes: 13 37.1%
  • Country

    Votes: 10 28.6%
  • Alternative

    Votes: 14 40.0%
  • Other (specify in your reply)

    Votes: 10 28.6%

  • Total voters
    35
There are other ways we can group ourselves together. We can perhaps make a distinction between beginners, experienced players and semi-pros/pros. I think we have cdtele and a few others in the latter group. Maybe myself too.

We have quite a few beginners I think?

Anyway, this is all just food for discussion. Make up any group you want. My initial list was just a quick thought, and yes, there should be a punk/indie group for sure. I don't think Brian is alone in that group either.
 
just strum said:
but are you referring that as one group? Individually I could fall into two possibly three of those categories, but not in an influential way. I like them and wouldn't change the station if I heard them. I'm assuming Clash falls in there somewhere and since I don't think of them of as a punk band, I guess for me they are a cross between punk and garage as I view it, but a darn good one.

Clash are a punk rock and roll group, period.

What a lot of history since has tended to minimze or blur is that punk, for all it's forward-speaking rheotric and fashion, was musically a revivalist movement. Punk essentially wanted to recapture the energy and simplicity of 50's and early 60's (i.e., including garage) rock. Check it-- a lot of punk groups were big fans of rockabilly, the Who, etc. Many modern fans of punk classify both many modern garage and many modern rockabilly bands as within the overall punk umbrella.

The idea of bringing rock back to its simple and even sometimes violent roots was so unacceptable to some in the 70's that punk was instead removed entirely from the rock lexicon and ghetto-ized. It was not rock, but something new and separate.

Such is a huge falsehood.
 
When you think about it, genre 'names' and labels are sort of silly...:whatever:
 
Brian Krashpad said:
Punk essentially wanted to recapture the energy and simplicity of 50's and early 60's (i.e., including garage) rock.

As the desire to recapture through the return to simplicity, I think you captured its definition with the same.

The problem what I see with punk or really how punk is viewed is that it is associated far too often with the Sex Pistols and in John Lydon's eyes, they were the ONLY punk band. Punk was and is so much more, but as it was expanded, the core following felt it was a sell out. I look at it more as better musicians recognizing its importance and taking it to acceptance without wearing safety pins.

Then again, sometimes I don't know what the _____ I'm talking about (said in a punk growl with curled lip, while chewing my beer mug:D )
 
Rabies said:
When you think about it, genre 'names' and labels are sort of silly...:whatever:

Sort of.

But not entirely.

When we want to communicate about music, unless we have the other person in the same room and can put something in a stereo (or computer, MP3 player, etc.) and say "listen to this," labels are necessary to our understanding and communication of the big picture.

What's tricky is defining our terms.
 
Spudman said:
What? No Prog? :confused:

Progressive and Blues-ish for me from the Brits mostly. Especially from the early 70's on.

I'm guessing most members are blues appreciators. It's so fundamental and it connects to so many people.
Nope No Prog here.growing up in Chicago my roots are in da Blues.even my first ''almost'' successful band was a Blues band as were many others.tried many things and genres so given the choices I'd have to say Blues here with a side dish of Jazz for flavor. :D

yep even after Woodstock although that event did change a lot of other perceptions musical I had.always will dislike rap,that's a given
 
just strum said:
As the desire to recapture through the return to simplicity, I think you captured its definition with the same.

The problem what I see with punk or really how punk is viewed is that it is associated far too often with the Sex Pistols and in John Lydon's eyes, they were the ONLY punk band. Punk was and is so much more, but as it was expanded, the core following felt it was a sell out. I look at it more as better musicians recognizing its importance and taking it to acceptance without wearing safety pins.

This is an astute observation, and supported by both musicological and historical factors.

First, let me relate a bit of my personal experiences with the punk rock as an observation. This all goes back to my basic premise that punk is an integral part of rock and roll and NOT some separate or fringe music genre.

I got into punk rock when records (some of which had been out for anywhere from 3 or 4 or more years) began to get enough press coverage (remember, no intranets) for me to become aware of them (since mainstream rock radio essentially banned them in the states) in the early 1980's. I still liked 60's rock (especially the first half, not so much the trippy/hippy/jammy or acid stuff) and some mainstream 70's rock that captured some of that (perfect example: hometown heroes Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers). I thought of "punk rock" and "punk rockers" as something totally separate and foreign.

Until, of course, I heard it, and met some punk rock people.

Keep in mind, I was not a "cool" person. At the time, I was in my first band. I did not have a lot of cool clothes (whether by punk or mainstream standards) or a cool (whether by punk or mainstream standards) haircut. Basically I was a nerdy honors-student type kid who was the antithesis of the rocker, even though I liked rock music. From what I read, if I went to a punk rock show I would be shunned as not hip enough. And lots of people would be spitting on each other.

To use a Britishism, it was all a load of bollocks.

The punk rockers I met, including groundbreaking local punk band Roach Motel, one of the handful of early Florida punbk rock bands, welcomed me with open arms. I never got one ounze of **** about not being hip enough. I got invited to crazy house parties. I heard the Roach Motel cover BTO's "Takin' Care of Business." When my band covered Thin Lizzy's "Jailbreak" at the the Roach Motel's unofficial HQ, the House of Death, no one booed or even ran for cover. When I went to a "punk rock" birthday party, I might hear a side of Aerosmith alongside the Ramones or 999.

A lot of my misunderstanding of punk rock has or had to do with what I call the "Britishism" of punk rock. I thought punk rock was something from the UK, the Ramones notwithstanding. Like so many others, I had it bass-ackwards. The Ramones predated the UK bands-- many of which had been inspired by the Ramones' July 4, 1976 performance in London at the Roundhouse , where members or future members of the Pistols and Clash were in attendance. Another groundbreaking American band was the NY Dolls, whom the Pistols' manager had purported to "manage" as they fell apart; the subsequent arrival in the UK of Dolls splinter band the Heartbreakers (no relation to Tom Petty) was another ealry influence there.

It's been my experience that UK people tend to see punk as an historical/youth trend movement first, and as a musical genre second. Americans, the other way round. The reasons for this are at least two-fold. First, in the UK punk was much more closely tied to fashion, and fashion is inherently short-lived . The Ramones dressed totally in American iconic clothing: straight-legged jeans, biker jackets, T-shirts, and Converses. No safety pins or trash bags.

Second, in the UK punk was wildly successful in the short-term. Number one on the pop charts (although those same charts refused to put the song title on the chart--instead leaving a blank). In the US, it was virtually impossible to even hear punk on the radio in the 70's. In the UK, punk was another flash-in-the pan like mods or Teds, or New Romantics to come. In the US punk was a commercial failure, and punk rock went back underground, establishing it's network of magazines (fanzines), clubs, even safe houses (crash pads).
 
a good friend of mine was part of the "punk" movement in nyc playing with the ramones, richard hell and such at cbgb's...they didn't call themselves "punk" that name was given to them by other's. you are correct that they were trying to get back to basic rock and roll....no synthesized music crap as he put it....they kinda thought of themselves as playing "angry blues" and that makes more sense as a "classification" than "punk"....

oh yeah....if i had to pick from the given groups it would haver to be blues....but 60s-70s rock and southern rock should be in t he kist too....but then i guess i wouldn't have been able to pick just one! (of course i like jazz too....and oh nevermind.... :thwap:

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Brian Krashpad said:
Clash are a punk rock and roll group, period.

What a lot of history since has tended to minimze or blur is that punk, for all it's forward-speaking rheotric and fashion, was musically a revivalist movement. Punk essentially wanted to recapture the energy and simplicity of 50's and early 60's (i.e., including garage) rock. Check it-- a lot of punk groups were big fans of rockabilly, the Who, etc. Many modern fans of punk classify both many modern garage and many modern rockabilly bands as within the overall punk umbrella.

The idea of bringing rock back to its simple and even sometimes violent roots was so unacceptable to some in the 70's that punk was instead removed entirely from the rock lexicon and ghetto-ized. It was not rock, but something new and separate.

Such is a huge falsehood.

I really agree with that. Here is what I posted months ago in the "Who inspired you" thread:

sunvalleylaw said:
A LOT of folks. I have wanted to play guitar a long time. When I finally really started playing, Neil Young was a big inspiration (surprise, surprise). But others too. Blues lick oriented rock (Stuff coming from Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, early Beatles and Stones and the like) and surf and punk coming from those genres have inspired too. Since I got my strat, a whole bunch of blues players have inspired. I really didn't know that Chuck Berry's stuff really came from Robert Johnson before, for example.

I posted a bunch of wave last week, in a reminiscent retrospective, but my favorites from the era were punkier, like the Clash for example. Now one of their favorites is a cover of "I fought the law", which is a (post Buddy Holly) Crickets song. The lines are pretty easy to draw from that, I think. Since I started playing, I have re-discovered a lot of "classic rock" and I have always liked the blues and jazz. But for much of my adult life, punk, alt, grunge, indie, . . . garage rock basically, has been my listening preference.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
I posted a bunch of wave last week, in a reminiscent retrospective, but my favorites from the era were punkier, like the Clash for example. Now one of their favorites is a cover of "I fought the law", which is a (post Buddy Holly) Crickets song.

Actually it's a Bobby Fuller Four song. For more on Bobby Fuller's mysterious death, see Black 47's "Who Killed Bobby Fuller?"

:AOK:
 
I'm a rock & roll lover, 60s, 70s, 80s,.
My second choice would take in the blues, since it is a part of R&R.
Third would be country & some Bluegrass.
Fourth would be Metal.

I'm not a alternative rock or rap lover, there isn't much coming out today that I consider music.
 
Brian Krashpad said:
Actually it's a Bobby Fuller Four song. For more on Bobby Fuller's mysterious death, see Black 47's "Who Killed Bobby Fuller?"

:AOK:

Huh, ok. I got my info off wiki as I was not sure. Here is what I found in Wiki under "I fought the law":

"I Fought the Law" is a much-covered song originally recorded by Sonny Curtis and The Crickets (post Buddy Holly) in 1959. The song was famously covered by Bobby Fuller Four, who recorded a more successful version of the song in 1965, and The Clash, who recorded a punk rock version in 1978.

I like the Dead Kennedys version a lot too. :D :AOK:

So I guess if I were to put myself in a group, it would be close to the one Brian is laying out there, but would have to include not only punk, but alt, indie, grunge, rockabilly (ala stray cats and kingbees) . . . garage rock and it is all descended from Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, and early Beatles and Stones, which came from blues tunes. How's that? :rotflmao: So that group is called "garage rock and roll" or just "rock and roll" maybe? But again, I blend other stuff in there and like a lot more.
 
I have to seperate this into what I like to listen to, and what I like to play. When it comes to listening, my music tastes cover a pretty broad spectrum.

I like to listen to:

Classic
Jazz
Big Band/Swing
Some country...purely for the talent of some of the guitar players (like Brad Paisley, for instance).
Blues
Rock N' Roll, from the early rockabilly inspired, through alternative (at least that which I like), and everything in between.
Oldies Pop music - hard not to have a soft spot for this when these songs are like the background sound track of your life growing up.
Cajun/ Zydeco...when the mood strikes.
Old Soul Music/Rythm and Blues.
Broadway Musicals (Andrew Lloyd Weber is one of my favorites).
Latin/Salsa type music (and fusion forms of this music).



What I like to play:

Da' Blues (no!, ya' think?)
Classic Rock and Blues inspired Rock of any kind to include everything short of heavy death metal.
Some Jazz
Some Ballad, Folk, Acoustic type music when I'm in an unplugged mood.
 
I'm stuck in the 70s and tasting the 80s.

Loving every bit of it. :)
 
Tone2TheBone said:
Like Mr. tOt I am eclectic in my enjoyment of many things so I dig a variety of various compilations of this and that and so on and so forth. Electric Lady Land and Acoustic Lady Land...and all points in between. :) Plus Baroque Classics, Gypsy Jazz and da blues. Even many (old school ahem) artists that twang a Tele guit in their hands or a saucy twang in their vocals.
Tone is right...give me anything good & more of it!
 
sunvalleylaw said:
Huh, ok. I got my info off wiki as I was not sure. Here is what I found in Wiki under "I fought the law":

"I Fought the Law" is a much-covered song originally recorded by Sonny Curtis and The Crickets (post Buddy Holly) in 1959. The song was famously covered by Bobby Fuller Four, who recorded a more successful version of the song in 1965, and The Clash, who recorded a punk rock version in 1978.

My bad, I stand corrected, thanks for the info!
 
Hey, I'm the new guy, so I figured this would be a great place for my first post. I actually dig everything on the list:

Jazz - I love Diana Krall, Nat King Cole, Gershwin, Dave Brubeck and lots of other jazz cats.
Blues - I currently play for a blues band and we cover stuff from SRV, Fabulous Thunderbirds, Rufus Thomas, B.B., Hendrix, Clapton...blues is my first love.
Acoustic - I really like John Mayer's early stuff and I'm loving the newer blues stuff that he's tapped into.
80's rock - Grew up on it with my dad. Queensryche, Skid Row, Night Ranger, Winger, Toto...God, there's so many.
Metal Maniacs - I like Slipknot alot. Bullet for My Valentine, Killswitch Engage, Chimaira, to name a few.
Hendrix - Anything and everything Hendrix. He was a God among men.
Country Twangers - Brad Paisley, Brent Mason, Vince Gill, Steve Wariner.

So, I look forward to posting more. This is by far one of the best guitar forums I've seen. Thanks guys.

CR
 
Welcome, KDP! You've got some great names listed there, and I enjoy listening to every single one of them.

When you get a chance, head over to "The Fret Players" section and post a little intro about yourself. That way you can receive a proper Fret.Net welcome!
 
I listen to a fairly wide range of music with my only dislikes being commercial radio pop and "urban R&B".

Rather than offering up a long list, I thought I'd do this instead...

I don't know if anyone is familier with last.fm, but it's a program that sits on your PC and basically uploads info on what you listen to to a website so you and your friends can see what you've been getting into. I've only recently joined, but I think it's great.

So anyway, right now it's only running on my work laptop, but as I have music going all day, it's not a bad snapshot...

http://www.last.fm/user/TehCh0jiN/

And to perhaps further define, this is a cut and paste from my facebook...

Favourite Music:
Music that incites rebellion, sounds that infect the mind, attitude and emotion wrapped in searing guitar infused confrontation. Lyrics with no pretence to shielding the raw passion boiling beneath. Tell me straight or tell me a story, tell me the heart tearing emotional truth or tell me nothing. I want to feel the pain, smell the stale beer and cigarettes. Don’t give me weak beats. Don’t play me radio friendly, and don’t expect to like my music collection.
 
Ch0jin said:
And to perhaps further define, this is a cut and paste from my facebook...

Favourite Music:
Music that incites rebellion, sounds that infect the mind, attitude and emotion wrapped in searing guitar infused confrontation. Lyrics with no pretence to shielding the raw passion boiling beneath. Tell me straight or tell me a story, tell me the heart tearing emotional truth or tell me nothing. I want to feel the pain, smell the stale beer and cigarettes. Don’t give me weak beats. Don’t play me radio friendly, and don’t expect to like my music collection.

Could you be a little more definitive there, Ch0jin? I get the feeling that you're holding something back. :D

Ah...the more things change, the more they stay the same....:)
 
I guess I fit into the categories of:

Blues Lover
Jazz Lover
wannabe Country Twanger

I find so many similarities between these 3 genres, they're nearly interchangable. It's like speaking the same language only with different accents. I'm trying to learn how to speak guitar with more of the Country Twanger accent as my most recent endeavor.

Although I really appreciate great metal playing, it doesn't light my spark in the same way as it did when I was younger.

I love Hendrix style playing also. I think that he is one of the true pioneers of guitar playing. He is kind of like Django is for Jazz guitar players He took it to an entirely new level. There's very few musicians in history who do this.

-- Jim
 
jpfeifer said:
Although I really appreciate great metal playing, it doesn't light my spark in the same way as it did when I was younger.

Yeah even at 37 I have a lot of unresolved angst ;)
 
I'll have to go with Blues/Rock n Roll. I love loud, blues influenced rock -- stones, ac/dc, zz top, etc. :rockon:
 
I guess I fall into the acoustic group, at 7, I would listen to James Taylor over and over again. It still does it for me today. However after joining this forum and really getting into the blues, it has greatly improved my playing and given me a greater appreciation for the instrument, so I respect that a lot. I'm not yet able to write the next blues anthem, but hey I'm getting there. I also was a teen in the 80's so a lot of that music has sentimental value, Sister Christian, Tears for Fears, U2, Van Halen, but that's where I think it belongs, I don't know if I'll create the next "Sweet Child of mine" but you never know.

Ears open, absorb and twist as much as you can until you know that it resonates with your soul. It doesn't matter if no one else hears it, its mine. On to the next creation...
 
I play '70's and '80's rock with a few newer tunes, but I like listening to a lot of different music.

Smooth jazz is a favorite. Wish I could play some of it. I like listening to Mozart and Schubert on piano. I can play very little of that on piano because I didn't study or practice enough.

Some piano based New Age stuff is good too as long as it's not too spacey or 'out there'.
 
Ch0jin said:
I don't know if anyone is familier with last.fm, but it's a program that sits on your PC and basically uploads info on what you listen to to a website so you and your friends can see what you've been getting into. I've only recently joined, but I think it's great.

http://www.last.fm/user/TehCh0jiN/
Heck yes.

I find it interesting that my entire top 8 and 10 of my top 12 are all from the UK.
 
Robert said:
I'm curious to hear what you guys think about the type of members we have here. Hmm, let's see. How about something like,

  • Jazz lovers
  • Blues lovers
  • Acoustic players
  • 80's rock types
  • Metal Maniacs?
  • Hendrix fans
  • Country twangers

Which is the largest group? I will guess blues guys/gals. Seems most guitar players love the blues, but there are of course exceptions. For example, I have noticed that a lot of metal players do NOT like blues. Not sure why? As a comparison - many jazz players like blues, and vice versa.
Could this be made into a poll?

Personally, my closest category is probably "80's rock types." From what I know of the members here, I'd guess blues as the preferred style.
 
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