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Joe Bonamassa is without a doubt one of the best guitar players around these days. His perfect guitar tone is in the same league as SRV’s, Hendrix’s or Knopfler’s tone.

It’s hard to find good rock music with good tone these days. I always looked forward to buying Joe’s new albums. But with the last couple of albums I felt that they wear off pretty fast and start gathering dust in my collection.

I feel I listen to Joe’s music only when I want to hear good guitar sound. It’s tricky being a guitarist. Most of us can be easily intrigued with good guitar sound.

I’ve seen Joe live in concert a couple of times and I almost had a bad conscious admitting to myself during the later concerts that I was bored throughout the better part of the gig. I started wondering WHY this was so.

Shame on me? Here we have a great guitar player with great talent and an awesome band behind him, coming the long way from the USA to my country to bring Blues and Rock music. Joe’s got a message and a mission, you feel it when he plays and speaks.

But if I fade out his great attitude, the cool vintage guitars and amps, the great sound, which all belong without a doubt to the show, there’s one thing that is the most important to me – it’s the songwriting! I want to get a kick from music. And that is where my problem with Joe’s music started some years ago. I have listened to the unmasked musician and I was surprised how little of his music really remains present in my mind. But was it that way all the time? No it wasn’t!

What’s the problem you might ask.

The problem to me is that I find it very sad when someone is obviously able to write great songs (Coulour & Shape, When She Dances, I Know Where I Belong for example) and then all of a sudden starts riding down a one way street of monotonous Bluesrock.

Of course no musician wants to make the same music with every album! Joe was one of the few artists that on the one hand were able to preserve the heritage of great guitar playing and sound, but on the other hand carrying on the torch of great songwriting in writing with that new and unheard freshness. The solos were excellent and had lots of melody. A lot of people I know (non musicians) and who consider themselves as average music consumers loved his works for the music, or better said for the songs and songwriting.

Joe was the musical future. The one great hope. He had it all. And still has it all...somewhere slumbering.

Unfortunately, he made a strong turn into the next one way street starting with You & Me. Most of his solos became boring and sound the same. It’s the same pattern for every solo. Some weak melody followed by Eric Johnson style pentatonic. A good intro guitar riff followed by song pettiness.

His current music lives from “cool” guitar playing. To me it seems as if Joe had stumbled into the “you have to keep the Blues alive” and “Praise the mandatory rock heroes” trap and throughout his mission he forget to preserve and develop his own “voice”.

Everyone to his own taste. Everyone is free to decide what music he wants to play. I cross my fingers for Joe and am happy for him being successful and for being an obviously kind hearted person.

This is my personal opinion and you might disagree or even hate me for that. I’d like to underline that I am not one of the “everything used to be better back then” guys or one of the folks who want to hear a “Miss You Hate You” on every album. I am just sad on missing out on the great songs Joe could write!
 
Great post Jimi and I 100% agree. I was so excited when I discovered JB a few years ago, his tone, his phrasing, his showmanship and his songs all showed him as a phenomenal talent. A talent which hasn't diminished but he seems aware that this is his time and he feels the need to release as much material as he possibly can to maximize sales while his popularity is high. This is understandable but it has led to pretty dull and unimaginative song writing. For me You & Me had some great songs (Bridge to Better Days, Asking Around for You etc.) but since then I'm struggling to remember a good song. Like you Jimi I bought the records, listened a couple of times and now they gather dust.

I also think the variety in his music has somewhat lessened since his 'spat' with Fender. I love the sound of a LP through a Marshall but equally I love a Tele through a Deluxe or a Strat through a Bassman etc. I feel his grudge towards Fender (which may indeed be justifiable) is robbing him of particular tones in his music. It's like an Artist deciding to paint without one of the prime colors. I think we've all been inspired by picking up a particular instrument, if you limit yourself to an LP maybe you're denying yourself the inspiration you might get from a Strat or vice versa.
 
I only discovered Bonamassa recently and I didn't understand why everyone was so gaga over him and I just thought the music was . . . well, like you said "a one way street of monotonous Bluesrock."

It sounds like I need to check out his earlier stuff an keep my eye on him in case he comes out of his shell again.
 
There are some valid points here, for sure. On the opposite side of the coin, though, I would like to add something. I've noticed the Eric Johnson sound Jimi mentions myself. I think he must be an influence Joe likes a lot.
But EJ went for years trying to perfect an album for release, re-doing tracks and eventually scrapping practically all of it, because he could not get it perfect enough for his own taste. I am glad Joe is not that degree of perfectionist, even if some of his music seems too familiar.
 
Joe B. is a great player, and by many anecodotal accounts, a nice guy. I'll gladly listen to Bonamassa if I'm at a place where it's playing or at a friend's who puts him on. However, Joe B. is not something I would put on my personal playlist for listening...at least not right now. Oh and I get a kick out of calling him "Banalmassa", lol, because it makes me feel clever...especially when I read threads like this which tend to support that (admittedly unfair) characterization.

I totally respect his playing and talent. I've stated that I don't like his voice, but I'll be the first to admit he sings way better than I ever could.
 
Interesting post. I don't know much about Bonamassa, even though I've seen him live, but I find that the comments here translate to a lot of musicians.

I think there's a lot of identity in anything we as humans do, and the music you listen to and the music you play are just two examples. I think many musicians get their style down, and are popularized for it. Because of that, they hesitate to break new ground and push the boundaries of their music.

I've watched a few videos of a 5-part interview with Ty Tabor of King's X (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8POFU9FyCIM), and in one part, he mentions how they started scrapping ideas they had because it wasn't "the King's X sound." He then goes on to say how that was kind of dumb. I think it's easy to get trapped in what you think you are, even if you have new ideas.

Joe B. seems to be a very talented guy, so I hope he doesn't limit himself in the future, but I also wish that for all musicians and each one of us. It's scary to break out of something that you know works, but it's a necessary thing to do artistically.

Now if I can just figure out how to do that...
 
I agree on this one Jim, great guitar player, great guy, not so great albums. But then all artists can produce a bad album..... eric clapton, the stones,

hope the new albums rocks.
 
This bears out what I have seen of JB. He has a great sound and amazing chops, but the music doesn't impress me much. It sounds like he's going down the same road as Clapton: a great player releasing formulaic stuff to maintain sales volume - a "get it while you can" approach. It's understandable, considering how people come and go in this business, but still disappointing.
 
I recently discovered JB and was also a bit let down when what I heard just didn't "wow" me at all. Clearly he's an awesome guitar player. But honestly the guitar sounds sterile. SRV for instance just grabs me, while with JB I just sit and listen and think "wow, great playing...but I'm not feeling like I care to hear that song again."

I decided that I gravitate mostly to Chicago blues so that's where I stay.
 
Musicianship and songwriting are two distinctly separate skills. Having one doesn't mean you'll be blessed with the other. If you look over the annals of popular music, the great songwriters often worked as part of a group, and had a collective presentation, think McCartney, nobody thinks of him as a peerless bassist, excellent, solid, what have you, but not terribly gifted or unique.

I think if you stopped and thought, the number of exceptional musicians who are exceptional songwriters is VERY short, and JB is known for being one of very few younger dudes brandishing an LP and a Marshall these days, and doing it with the conviction and technical prowess that few ever have.

Who has ever done both? Hendrix. Many of the Chicago style blues greats...3 Kings etc, but they were operating within a formula when media dissemination itself was a new thing. How long could they have kept it fresh? Cray? Clapton? All these guys, I see them, and they rock, but they don't surprise me or make me think I'm seeing something new.

I think Eric is onto something, for JB to rise above, he'd have to hear a different voice from somewhere, have a different experience, and then have necessity to communicate THAT regardless of what the market, the fans, the agents say. Let's face it, that flies in the face of popular music.

I think it's pretty unlikely. When that happens, we all know it.

We're seeing it right now, I'd argue, with a band like Black Keys.....they've taken a formula, and use it, reoriented, and you want to listen.
 
Hate to say this, both SRV and hendrix have produced "banal albums". I love them both as guitar players but as songwriters....mmmmm.
 
I can usually find one or two songs on each album that will stick with me. My great hope for Joe is now that he is in with a very talented bunch (Glenn Hughes, Derek Sherinian, Jason Bonham, Kevin Shirley) the song quality will improve. It certainly did for the Black Country Communion album. Joe is very gifted and he's only reaching his stride now. I expect great things from him in the future. Yet, like most of you I primarily listen to his album for great guitar tones and playing. It satisfies but doesn't linger.



I've watched a few videos of a 5-part interview with Ty Tabor of King's X (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8POFU9FyCIM), and in one part, he mentions how they started scrapping ideas they had because it wasn't "the King's X sound."

Eric - this is great. Thanks for the heads up on it. I'm a big fan.
 
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I can usually find one or two songs on each album that will stick with me. My great hope for Joe is now that he is in with a very talented bunch (Glenn Hughes, Derek Sherinian, Jason Bonham, Kevin Shirley) the song quality will improve. It certainly did for the Black Country Communion album. Joe is very gifted and he's only reaching his stride now. I expect great things from him in the future. Yet, like most of you I primarily listen to his album for great guitar tones and playing. It satisfies but doesn't linger.

Musicianship and songwriting are two distinctly separate skills. Having one doesn't mean you'll be blessed with the other. If you look over the annals of popular music, the great songwriters often worked as part of a group, and had a collective presentation, think McCartney, nobody thinks of him as a peerless bassist, excellent, solid, what have you, but not terribly gifted or unique.

I think if you stopped and thought, the number of exceptional musicians who are exceptional songwriters is VERY short, and JB is known for being one of very few younger dudes brandishing an LP and a Marshall these days, and doing it with the conviction and technical prowess that few ever have.

Who has ever done both? Hendrix. Many of the Chicago style blues greats...3 Kings etc, but they were operating within a formula when media dissemination itself was a new thing. How long could they have kept it fresh? Cray? Clapton? All these guys, I see them, and they rock, but they don't surprise me or make me think I'm seeing something new.

I think Eric is onto something, for JB to rise above, he'd have to hear a different voice from somewhere, have a different experience, and then have necessity to communicate THAT regardless of what the market, the fans, the agents say. Let's face it, that flies in the face of popular music.

I think it's pretty unlikely. When that happens, we all know it.

We're seeing it right now, I'd argue, with a band like Black Keys.....they've taken a formula, and use it, reoriented, and you want to listen.

Jimi, I agree. I want to like JB, and I have listened to his stuff hoping to catch the bug. However, it doesn't grab me. One thing that is clear about my taste is that songwriting is as important, and maybe more, than pure chops. But both is nirvana. Clapton is another one that is like that for me. With a few exceptions, particularly his work on his 90's acoustic stuff, I just don't get excited about his stuff.

For comparison to another young blues player, I always think of Mayer. Everyone knows I like John Mayer's tone, chord voicings, songwriting and, yes, chops and playing. I am interested that in this conversation about blues oriented music, his name has not come up. Maybe it is because he started his commercial career from the pop side of things. But the guys that have been mentioned as being both melodic song writers and great players (SRV, Hendrix) are obviously his biggest influences.

I keep thinking if JB would add some soul influences focus on developing more melody into his use of his skill, I would like it more. I like what I see and hear of him personally, like his skill, and want to like his music more.
 
Dang, I feel about the same as you Jimi, as well as others here. I never spoke up because I really want to like JB's music because I love his playing and style. His earlier work is awesome, but the more recent albums have yet to really grab me. Sometimes his voice is good to my ears, but many times it bothers me.

Sure, I don't want him to simply re-make his earlier albums, but something just doesn't click on the recent releases.
 
I'm really glad you posted this, Jimi. I think I'm somewhere in the middle on this issue; I haven't quite finished my honeymoon phase with Joe B. One thing I will say though, and I know this will be met with some disagreement if not out and out scorn, but I can't stand Black Country Communion. I really can't stand Glen Hughes voice. I want to like them, and I want to like Glen's vocals, but I don't. Joe may not be the world's most talented vocalist, but I'll take him over Mr. Hughes any day. And I'll take Joe's solo stuff over BCC stuff all day long.

One thing I might add: I think the similarities to Eric Johnson are completely intentional. Like OldGuy said, he's one of Joe's big influences.
 
Formuliac

JB certainly is quite the blues player and performer in general that has definitely carved out a place for himself in the music world.

He probably is "stacking cash" right now, cranking out signature sounds at a rapid rate. It is probably very important for him to amass a major pile of wealth, which I'm sure he is doing.

He is still a young guy and has a lot of time ahead to produce even greater accomplishments than he has so far. Watching him extroduce Eric Clapton on the Royal Prince Albert Hall performance, it seemed evident to me that Joe considers himself a junior bluesman compared to Clapton, despite his outstanding playing and dueling guitars. I think Joe knows he has a long way to go before he reaches a level of self realization where he feels comparable to the blues greats. How he gets there, and if he even gets there remains to be seen. Greatness, especially in the area of the blues, often comes out of some type of great struggle and is popularized by perseverence.

Some of his songs have not grasped my enthusiasm incredibly, but listening to Black Country Communion the other night, I find many of the songs on it growing on me - sounding better all the time. That usually happens when I find some music that I think is really great - it stands up to the test of time and grows. I remember when I first heard Jethro Tull in the late sixties - the more I listened to it the more I liked its complexities and appreciated its incredibleness.

Of course, we all perceive music subjectively; so it isn't surprising that we all experience JB somewhat differently but notice some of the same similarities.

Even though the dude is probably consciously stacking the cash "big time", he probably has some ideas that we haven't seen yet.

One thing I seem to notice is that he doesn't talk to his audience much, doesn't talk a lot about his music between songs, and seems reticent; but a lot of great muscians, like Gregg Allman for instance, don't talk much about their music. Great to see Gregg performing again. The dude has been thru a lot. Even thru a lot of formulaized music he has always seemed to pull another new and great song out of his bag - like "Desdamona" or "Old Before My Time" among many other recent songs.
 
Logged in this morning and thought maybe I was already banned from the boeard for writing from the bottom of my heart what I think about Joe B. :)
Thank you so much for your great replies! I was carrying around this topic for a while now and I just had to go the direct way with it.

@SVL: I didn't wanna mention Mayer again, but he is in my eyes way more exciting. He's got it all in him and writes great songs.
@LEV: You are absolutely right! Why this war about a pseudo signature guitar that Fender issued? Man, I worked many years for Fender and one thing is clear. They are no Gibson, they are not in need of issuing stupid sig models to make cash and they do not depend on JB! Concerning the sound...just go back to his first Live DVD and listen to some tracks he played with the 60 Tele.....that was greatness in sound!
@ Commodore 64: Quote"especially when I read threads like this which tend to support that (admittedly unfair) characterization." I don'
t see any unfairness in my thread. Sorry, but I uttered that I respect Joe and am sorry for him that he let his songwriting talent go down the drain! He can write great songs that's what makes me sad.
@ Eric: Great interview. I love King's X. But I think when you come to the point where you start scrapping ideas because they do not fit in a certain commercial concept, the art starts dying.
@Commodore 64 & Tig: Feel the same about Joe's voice. I don't like when he screams a song to death. Esepcially at the slow blues numbers he tends to fill the spaces in between with scream like vocals. To me it's either feel it or leave it, but don't pretend. I think he improved vocalwise over the last couple years and he has also very strong singing moments on his cds.
@Oldguy & Frankenfretter: One should not hide ones influences, but one should bear in mind how close copycat and genius sit together :-) The thing that bothers me most is that he had his own virtuous stlye and from there on went into the copy paste style. Usually it's vice versa...;-)
@All: It's the mandatory cash ride. Milk the cow as long as you can milk it. I understand that Joe B trys to get his sheeps in a dry place now and properbly most of us would do the same I think. See, we all enjoy the big freedom of not depending on selling records. This means no radio edits, no whining fan base etc. We enjoy pure musical freedom. Popular musicians go often from black to white. Just think of all the guys that went to India, came back and made experimental albums and stuff. Most of them fail to sit in the grey zone. Guys like Kenny Wanye Shepherd, Sean Costello (R.I.P.), John Mayer, Susan Tedeschi, Dereck Trucks and Jonny Lang proved that you can slip into the grey zone without being too commercial or even boring.
 
I love the "feel it or leave it" comment, Jimi. I've been listening to the BB King and Clapton version of Hold On, I'm Comin' . I simply can't stand Clapton's vocal affectation on that song. It seems like he's trying way, way, way, way, way to hard to have this bluesy feeling. It's hard to explain, but it really drives me bananas. I feel like he trades licks and plays well with BB, but the vocals absolutely kill it.
 
Jimi,
I guess the point I was trying to make about Joe B. versus Eric J. was this........ I'd rather see Joe keep on than become so obsessed w/ his craft that he's unable to release an album for years.
It may be he's still searching, experimenting, trying new things, and the EJ playing style will evolve into something more.
I'll try and stick to Joe B. but there are a few things I would like to add, hopefully not getting OT too far.

There have been lots of great players who were initially labeled as "Hendrix copycats" until people saw them evolving their own style. Trower and Marino are two who come to mind. Now, I'm not saying JB is copying Jimi H., but we notice the strong Eric Johnson influence on more than one of his songs. That doesn't make him a copycat, but the sound is the same on occasion. This may be a stepping stone. Joe may incorporate the style he's using presently into something more complex later down the road.

Mayer (I feel) has yet to hit his stride. Don't misunderstand, he's playing blues much more in the style I like now, his voice, playing style, and sound are great. If he can stay out of the gossip pages and be recognized for his blues music, his time is coming.

Clapton had a time where he played pure smokin' hot blues, and I loved everything he did. Then he went through phases and I didn't care for his music at all. He came back to blues again. Joe B. initially seemed to favor the more British type blues genre, maybe that will cycle back around.

It may be Joe is pushing himself too hard. Too hectic a schedule often leaves a musician hard pressed to find new ideas, create fresh music, and they become somewhat stagnant for a period of time.
I agree that Joe's still a young man and has plenty of time to become a blues legend.
I also can see why he'd want to gather what cash he can, while he can, while he's riding a wave of popularity. Hopefully he can find a balance where both happen, and we get to go along for the ride, listening to some outrageously good blues on the way.
 
LOL! Jimi, I almost did not want to mention Mayer myself again. But to discuss modern blues players that are younger, along with Joe B., you have to and cannot ignore him.

I am sure Joe has lots more to contribute and I hope for great things. I do miss his strat sound (that I know more than his tele sound). I think he stays closer to the old bluesmen in style and as his starting point than Mayer, who likes to add in more jazz voicings and incorporates more pop or soul hooks and melodies into some really great blues playing. Maybe after some more years I will look back and "get" Joe's work from this period more. I wanted to like that Black Country Communion album, and need to give it more of a chance. His collaboration with the great names in that project may really propel him. Time will tell!
 
Jimi,
I guess the point I was trying to make about Joe B. versus Eric J. was this........ I'd rather see Joe keep on than become so obsessed w/ his craft that he's unable to release an album for years.

Good news about Eric Johnson. He's loosened up tremendously when it comes to gear, tone perfection and recording.
His latest album, Up Close, has a much warmer, personal feel that may have been lacking in the past.
 
Joe's still a youngin'. Give the boy some time.
Sometimes Michelangelo just liked to doodle, he didn't always do ceilings. The cool thing is Joe's got some great skills. I saw him at a local bar a good many years ago and he's come a long way since then. He was still sporting baby fat and was a little bit pudgy. He's growing up, thinned down, cut his hair, his voice is maturing, --- he's living his life. All of that is seasoning the musician within. I'm sure there will be lots of good things coming from him in the future.
Most of us here at the Fret have the luxury of playing to please only ourselves, and maybe a few bandmates. Joe is expected top please a worldwide audience. That's a lot of baggage. I know I wouldn't want to be judged every time I picked up my guitar or tried to come up with an idea for a tune.
 
Joe's still a youngin'. Give the boy some time.
Sometimes Michelangelo just liked to doodle, he didn't always do ceilings. The cool thing is Joe's got some great skills. I saw him at a local bar a good many years ago and he's come a long way since then. He was still sporting baby fat and was a little bit pudgy. He's growing up, thinned down, cut his hair, his voice is maturing, --- he's living his life. All of that is seasoning the musician within. I'm sure there will be lots of good things coming from him in the future.
Most of us here at the Fret have the luxury of playing to please only ourselves, and maybe a few bandmates. Joe is expected to please a worldwide audience. That's a lot of baggage. I know I wouldn't want to be judged every time I picked up my guitar or tried to come up with an idea for a tune.
Well put. I've been biting my tongue on posting a response to this thread for several days, so I'll just say "+1" to 'Panky's reply and leave it at that. Perhaps because his tone and technique are so otherworldly, people may tend to place some rather unrealistic expectations on Joe....
 
I was waiting for Vood to respond cause I know he like's Joe too! I've seen him also,fantastic and I'd give my left nut just to play and sing and perform just a taste of as good as he is,and only getting better,I'm glad to see him touring while his name is hot.Go get it Joe. Sumi:D
 
Wow, Jimi... I respect your opinion and this thread. From what I gather, you seem to be encouraging, as a music fan, for Joe B. to stretch more as an artist, to "push the envelope a little more" with the playing and songwriting, am I right?

Nothing wrong with that at all!

Here's the deal, at least for me... I love blues / rock as a genre, and still get pumped up listening to pentatonic riffs, simple melodies and powerful solos. I can't find fault with Joe's playing, songwriting or singing... He does it all better than I do, and can throw down with some really fine, emotional soloing in the right setting. Joe's playing and style sound completely different from his earlier days. He's maturing as a player, and you can hear the evolution on different albums.

I would like to think that he's not just coasting for the money. I think that he's trying to expand with the BCC thing into a more rock oriented blues/rock. That's fine by me! I'd take BCC over Lady Gaga or Justin Bieber any day.

I think that Joe is just warming up creatively, and we're gonna see some interesting and badass guitar work in the future. I'm looking forward to the journey!
 
I think Joe needs to go to India for a while or get involved with a psychotic bad influence woman. Either of those will take him new directions. It worked for the 60s and 70s bands. That would open the doors for some new angles on his music.
 
A major substance addiction would probably work wonders, too. Since he cut out fattening foods, the guy pretty much has no vices, from what I understand. Unless you count practicing about 6 hours a day....
 
Interesting point about new influences. That is one thing that I think really helps Derek Trucks sound traditional and yet innovative at the same time. I think what is missing in Joe's music for me is innovation. His Albert Hall DVD is great, but you can even see it there. Sounds to me like he needs to shake something up. That said, everyone who notes his virtuosity is right, too. He's an amazing talent. I too would like to hear him do some more stuff not LP oriented. No doubt we'll hear some new twist from this young guy yet. He's too talented to do the EC velvet coffin thing.
 
After reading more responses, I'll add that I agree to let Joe mature, grow, and continue to explore his creativity. I respect him, his incredible playing and much of his music. I don't want him to repeat his past just to please a part of his audience.

That said, the end results are not always well received in some of his more recent music, which is a view that several here share. From what I've read, everyone here respects the man and his talents, just not all of his songs. So, in the end, no feelings hurt, right?

Take such a gifted musician and see how much great music he has created, raising the expectations of his work to continue to ascend every album. How could anyone make each and every new release better than the one before? Not many!

I have every confidence that his future music will blow most of us away. I really want to be blown away! Can you imagine an album that was half acoustic from him?
 
I think Joe needs to go to India for a while or get involved with a psychotic bad influence woman. Either of those will take him new directions. It worked for the 60s and 70s bands. That would open the doors for some new angles on his music.

I don't think Yoko is dating anyone

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