Gibson / Epiphone SG

[Tone2TheBone]

Thanks Slowhand and Rob for the info! Interesting!

 

[marnold]

Look for a custom SX Ash Jazz bass in the future though!

Look for a new thread on this in the bass forum . . .

 

[6STRINGS 9LIVES]

Folks its been said that we live in the golden age of guitars , lots of great quality instruments by a myriad of different manufacturers at prices that even at entry level provide a good solid instrument. Nelskie your point is well taken regarding brand names and percieved quality , while i do agree with you about guitars being built to be played and enjoyment is in the hands of the player , we all live in a world where perceptions create our reality, and the perception is that specific brands have a more hallowed place in the hearts and minds of players everywhere ... but you are absolutely correct in your take on things and i totally respect it...but it is a great topic of discussion and that also is what this forum is about , discussion , debate sometimes, and the sharing of knowledge and opinion . What i like so much about this particular forum is that nobody sinks to the level where somebody elses opinion is slaked off in a fender / gibson is best shouting match .. lets preserve that .. I too seek value and for me its found in the used market personally i would never buy a new piece of gear , though i have done so many times in the past .. i'm a vintage gear buff , its a hobby , a passion , and i'm continually learning new things and when i spend my money i do so to not only get a new axe or amp but to gain the knowledge of ownership even if only for a short period of time ... believe me my stuff gets used , gets passed around and loaned out to friends , i dont mind scratches , dings and sweat on my stuff .. i dont grimace when my friends pick up a guitar , i enjoy it ... you have made some great points as usual my friend and i do respect your opinion ... still get the gibson...nod, nod , wink , wink ...6s9l

 

[Nelskie]

My impetus, eh? Is that something like the Space Cowboy's "impetus of love"? Oh wait, that's the "pompetus of love"? Sorry, I get those mixed up all the time.

Well, r_a_, I actually have the ASAT Tribute Classic, which is the Korean-made version of G & L Tele. It does, however, have the USA-made Fullerton p'ups, and that's pretty much what sold me on that guitar. Yeah, the all-maple neck is sweet, and the swamp ash body is very resonant, but those p'ups make that guitar sound incredible. It's a keeper for sure.

As for my MIM choice over a Squier, I'd again have to say that it was a sound thing, too. The tone of the Classic 60's was, to my ears, far superior to what I'd heard with the Squiers I'd played. Overall, I'd played about (15) or so of them before I decided to go with the MIM Classic 60's version. Add a sweet vintage style neck, aged plastic hdwe., vintage style tuners, killer 3TS finish, and it was a hard package to resist. I could have saved a lotta' dough by modding a Squier, like I did with my 3TS Squier Tele Std. But at the time, I had the $$, and just liked the guitar better all-around. And with a nice 80's MIJ Squier model, it doesn't appear that I'll be in the market for a Strat for a good, long time - if ever.

 

[Nelskie]

we all live in a world where perceptions create our reality, and the perception is that specific brands have a more hallowed place in the hearts and minds of players everywhere ...

Such a good point, 69SL. Perception is really what drives the market for both new, and used gear. How we perceive both value and quality constitutes a big part of the gear-buying choices we make. That, and how we, as players, want other players / musicians to perceive us.

I'd also like to add that the things we've touched on within this thread over the past few days have certainly been taken in a most constructive sense on my behalf, and the opinions and insights that I've obtained are all very much appreciated.

The common element we all have here at the Fret.Net is the love of all things guitar. However, there are different things that guide each of us in our enjoyment of playing, the music we listen to, our processes in learning our craft, collecting / using different types of gear, and how we share all of those experiences with other players. Collectively, we all share in the benefits of our interaction. When you combine that with cool people, it's what makes this such a great place to be a part of.

Don't worry, I'll give the Gibson models a serious look *wink, nod*

 

[Spudman]

Nelskie
If you ever need another Strat you can use one of mine. I'll compress it to an MP3 format and mail it to you. That should work right? Isn't technology wonderful?


PS. Go for the Gibson

 

[Nelskie]

Read the fine print at the bottom. LMAO!

Sure, send a few my way. Maybe that new silver-burst, so I can get a good look at it!

 

[SuperSwede]

I still think that it is a bit sad that Gibson guitars are out of reach for many players today. When I grew up it wasn´t that big deal to pull out a Gibson LP or a US strat of the gig bag (oh yes we had our gibbys in gigbags). Today a kid would have to sell two of his best frontal teeth to afford such a instrument.

 

[Plank_Spanker]

Anyways - I'm just wondering if there are any Fretters who've had experience playing an SG, or who might know a bit more about it - tone, playability, etc. I'm already quite enamored with its lore, as well as the players it counts among its faithful.

I have a Gibson SG Supreme that puts a smile on my face every time I play it. I also believe that SG's are an acquired taste. The first time you play one, the neck looks like it's a mile long. The guitars are also neck heavy - a non-issue with a wide strap. The volume and tone knobs are located in another zip code compared to a Les Paul. That takes some time to get used to.

To the meat and potatoes.....................................

SG's have their own sound, and there are many variations of them to be had. In general, though, they have a brighter mid punch than LP's, but nowhere near a typical Strat's. They are fast guitars. They have unlimited neck relief.

The problem with SG's is that that too many players try to equate them with Strats, and that's just not going to happen. They don't do "Strat" at all.


....................But they sure look cool!

 

[Nelskie]

... But they sure look cool!

And sound cool, too! The Black Crowes were in town last week, and both Rich Robinson and Paul Stacey were using SG's. Rich had a dual P-90 number, and Paul was using a standard HB-equipped model. Both sounded amazing - thanks in part to the Marshall JCM 800 and Harry Joyce amps both were using. Rich's P-90 had a downright nasty snarl, and he used it for a couple of the heavier numbers. I was in heaven hearing those two guitars rip it up on a bunch of songs.

 

[Plank_Spanker]

And sound cool, too! The Black Crowes were in town last week, and both Rich Robinson and Paul Stacey were using SG's. Rich had a dual P-90 number, and Paul was using a standard HB-equipped model. Both sounded amazing - thanks in part to the Marshall JCM 800 and Harry Joyce amps both were using. Rich's P-90 had a downright nasty snarl, and he used it for a couple of the heavier numbers. I was in heaven hearing those two guitars rip it up on a bunch of songs.

SG's with P90's will bite your head off.................R

 

[Spudman]

Those P90's are most likely Lollars. I was backstage while Elwood was putting some in Rich's white Les Paul.