Muhammed Suiçmez

[Ro3b]

My turn to apologize.

You sound fairly intelligent and I dont know your age but I would suggest you print your post and read it in ten years or so.

I'm 42. I've seen some awful things too.

Your are foolhearty in thinking your music and its loudness scares people, maybe some not all and definately not people like me son.

I should have written, "Extreme music is also a safe, effective way to frighten others and stake out your territory. It's as though one were saying, "You hear this cacophanous complicated thunderous music I'm playing?"" Etc. Tongue was in cheek and it didn't come across. Again, I apologize.

And "my music" includes a whole lot of stuff, most of which you'd probably like.

PS Just pondering here, art aside, what has been so bad in ones existence to get "thrilled" about people fighting over music. Getting thrilled over any violence especially over something a trivial as music is pretty sad. Hopefully its something you can come to terms with.

It's not the violence I approve of as much as the passion and interest. I regret that music matters so much less now than it used to. If Stravinsky busted out the Rite of Spring today, it wouldn't register on the cultural radar at all.

 

[Myles]

If average people in our society cared enough about the aesthetics of music to come to blows over it, I'd be absolutely thrilled.

Now I could somewhat understand your opinion up until this point.

We already fight wars over:
Power
Money
Women
Race
Religion
etc

Its already horrible that we fight over those things. Sure why not add Music too.

When music is valued higher than humanity, its not devotion, its insanity.

It's not the violence I approve of as much as the passion and interest. I regret that music matters so much less now than it used to. If Stravinsky busted out the Rite of Spring today, it wouldn't register on the cultural radar at all.

Just as one does not have to go to church to be christian, one does not have to make public displays in order to be passionate and interested in music. The fact that perhaps music (or good music may have you) doesn't get the media you'd like it to, doesn't mean that individuals value it less.

 

[Spudman]

It's sort of like a sore or a scab. You don't dig at it or pour salt in it, you heal it. That is something worth discussing.

How are we going to heal the world? By staking out our territory? That is the problem already. Every society with a different view or religious belief wants their own turf. What ever happened to living together and getting along? It doesn't seem like anyone is promoting that very much. If Death Metal is about being rude and stingy then I don't want any of it.

I'm going to stick with nurturing and healing and stay away from the shock and awe. I'm not much good at the shock and awe thing anyway. For that I'd have to fry bacon in the nude. And, I can do that without waking babies or rattling windows or nauseating anyone with my unintelligible lyrics that have no melody.

Ya, we all have a dark side, but find me an enlightened being that isn't benevolent and promoting good will. Find me just one that says we must embrace our hate, lust, greed and disregard of fellow man and then project that on every society that we encounter. Just one will do.

 

[tot_Ou_tard]

Wow it got all deep & scary in here....


I think that this is a good conversation, but if Mark feels that it is staining up the place. I understand his point.

For the record, I am not personally interested in death metal for the same reason that I am not interested in horror movies...

eh, I've got better things to do.

It doesn't bother me that Ro3b likes it, and his straightforward and articulate way of discussing things is quite refreshing.

I must also say that the Spud's concern for love & the state of the world & its heart moves me nearly to tears.

True, it does!

This is a great place to contain such a converstaion & remain civil.
My hat's off to all of you!