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i thought it might be nice to have a single thread to discuss this nfl season as it unfolds. it might make it easier for us all to remember where we were talking about football to have one thread (with the word nfl in it) rather than a new one every week or every time we had a new thought about something.

so, just a thought i have watching the bears/broncos tonight...

do broncos fans regret it yet? you all know what i mean. giving up jay cutler because the coach wanted to try to get matt cassel (which never even happened) and now being stuck with kyle orton or chris simms.

it's pretty obvious kyle orton would need to improve to be mediocre.

simms i saw here in tampa. he's not bad. he's not great. he's competent. he's sure as hell NOT jay cutler.

truth be told, the rookie tom brandstater seems to be denver's best option at qb. they're going to be terrible anyway. they may as well let the rookie learn the game now.
 
Here are my questions for 2009:
1) Can the Lions win a game? If so, what percentage improvement would that be? Eleventy billion?
2) Since the NFC North is playing the AFC North and the NFC West, you would think the Lions would have a favorable schedule. How in the heck did they end up with the Saints and Redskins as their two "at large" teams?
3) Will the Lions be 0-6 at the bye, stretching their losing streak to 23? They play at Saints, Vikes, Redskins, at Bears, Steelers, at Packers. I have a hard time seeing them being anything less than a one TD dog in all of those games. That's why I'm hoping the Lions start Culpepper and then bring the kid in after the bye.
 
I know it's pre-season, but didn't the Lions win this past time out??

I can't speak on the Cutler/Broncos thing because Lord knows we have a MESS here in Philly what with VickGate and all. Rumor has it that he'll get some serious time in against the Jets in the final pre-season game.

It should be real darn interesting to see how the IGGLES faithful react when McNabb goes into one of his slumps during a game when he throws nothing but ground balls.....as in will there be a clamoring for VICK???
 
marnold - i see the lions going 2-14 maybe 3-13 and i agree, very likely to open at 0-6.

i also agree it'd be best to let daunte take the early beatings before throwing stafford to the wolves.

still, 2-14 sounds vastly improved from 0-16.

piebaldpython - you sure do have an interesting situation there in philly. i still can't imagine that anyone really thinks vick is even a tenth of the qb that mcnabb is. it should be fun to watch play out.
 
one week down.

thoughts?

i know houston is no barometer by which to grade my team, but nonetheless, this week was extremely encouraging for a jets fan. as iffy as houston is, they have a potentially explosive offense which the jets defense kept entirely off the scoreboard (houston's only points coming on a turnover returned for a touchdown.)

that defense!
wow, that defense.
i expected great things from rex ryan and this is just what i was hoping for.

this defense is rushes the passer.
this defense stops the run.
this defense shuts down the pass (lito sheppard already paid for himself in one week.)

seriously, even vernon "the invisible man" gholston had three tackles (three more than he had all last season.)

and the offense was as good as it needed to be. once more thomas jones proved he is the most dependable consistent running back in the afc with yet another 100+ yard 2 touchdown performance.

leon washington didn't have any breakout plays, but defenses are on to leon now. he will still make his big plays, but he's not taking anyone by surprise anymore.

as for mark sanchez. followers of last year's college football thread know how highly i thought of this kid. pete carroll knows how to develop pro quarterbacks and this one looks to be the real deal.

i don't need him to be spectacular. i just need him not to lose games with poor decision making skills (a la brett favre.) as i said to my dad, he doesn't need to be joe namath, i'd settle for joe flacco.

now, how about those other teams?

new england looked very beatable

buffalo looked like they can't play 60 minutes

(see also san diego and oakland for those last two)

the dolphins looked like the joke they are. once again it was shown, if chad pennington is pressured at all, he folds.

drew brees is the new dan fouts. he'll throw for a million yards and never win a game of any significance.

and how did your team look? (marnold, man, i feel for you. at least you have the wings and pistons)
 
R_of_G said:
one week down.
new england looked very beatable

buffalo looked like they can't play 60 minutes

New England always looks beatable, then they win. Not saying they are gonna win, but...

Buffalo didn't play 60 minutes.

Philly is, well Philly. :thwap: More psycho drama, on top of more psycho drama. Is there a more physically gifted QB than McNabb who makes more boneheaded plays? The Iggles are going to have a Lots 'O trouble with the Saints next week.
 
evenkeel said:
New England always looks beatable, then they win. Not saying they are gonna win, but...

Buffalo didn't play 60 minutes.

Philly is, well Philly. :thwap: More psycho drama, on top of more psycho drama. Is there a more physically gifted QB than McNabb who makes more boneheaded plays? The Iggles are going to have a Lots 'O trouble with the Saints next week.

oh i know what you are saying about new england. i've been saying it for years. if a team plays solid defense against them for 60 minutes, they can be beaten. we'll see if rex ryan can get the jets to do it this sunday. i sure hope so. i am happy right now, but a win over new england would mean much more than one over houston.

evenkeel said:
Is there a more physically gifted QB than McNabb who makes more boneheaded plays?

after what i saw sunday night, i'd say give jay cutler a few more years and he'll be right there.
 
R_of_G said:
and how did your team look? (marnold, man, i feel for you. at least you have the wings and pistons)
More like the Wings and Tigers. The Pistons will struggle mightily this year.

Anyway, the Lions are the Lions. They won't have the likes of Drew Brees to shred them every game, but they will certainly face better defenses, especially from all three teams in the Norris. They're going to need two more solid drafts (plus have this class turn out) to get back to anything resembling respectability.
 
THERE is the thread I was looking for the other day. I will transfer my post in the '08 NFL thread over. I can't believe that neither search engine pulled up the thread when I put in NFL! :thwap:
 
Well the IGGLES certainly played well this past week. Voracious defense, good special teams (DeSean Jackson....the NFC East answer to that guy for the Bears who runs back all those punts for TD's). Yeah, the Defense looks like it wants to win One for the deceased Jim Johnson, their beloved coordinator.

McNabb got hurt. Oh boy!! Vick can't play until week 3 and then they go and get back Garcia, who they should never have gotten rid of in the first place.

Shiner/CB's Cowboys put on an impressive display this past week. The Giants won and are always dangerous as the season goes on.

Roethlisberger and the Steelers manage to win and they'll be there at the end.

Prediction: The NFC East will win the Super Bowl this year. One of the 3.
 
And McNabb gets hurt again... Some things just never change.

I'm not one of the haters but man it gets tired every year. I thought he actually was looking pretty good before the injury too.

What do you think about Kolb? Will he ever be an NFL QB?
 
Kolb is OK if you need someone to spell the QB for a series or two. Past that he hasn't shown us anything to write home about. Getting Garcia is a Godsend. Yeah, he's older, doesn't throw big distances but that isn't important in a West Coast offense......of which he has spent a considerable amount of time.

Things might be lookin' up for the IGGLES nation. :D
 
wow.

donovan mcnabb gets hurt picking up points for the eagles late in a blowout game when he shouldn't even be on the field, and the eagles fans are glad to have jeff garcia.

interesting.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
I thought there was a new NFL thread for talking about '09 football, but I can't find it. Anyway, I am just happy that my old favorites the Seahawks were undefeated in preseason, and overcame some first half offensive sloppiness to defeat the St. Louis Rams (that still seems weird, the Rams are supposed to be in LA) 28-0! Go Seahawks! AND, my UW Huskies won over the Idaho Vandals this weekend too! First win in a long while for them. All in all, a good weekend for my teams!


Ok, here is my post that I put in last year's NFL thread when I could not find this one. I am just happy to have some wins early season. 4 and undefeated including preseason for the Seahawks, and at least the Huskies broke the losing streak. So I am happy at this point. After the refs took the game from the Seahawks and gave it to the Steelers, (IMHO;) ) I just about swore off NFL football. Now, the Hawks are looking good, and they have a great veteran player from my hometown in Lawyer Milloy. He played at Lincoln High School in Tacoma, where a bunch of us kids were scared to be after dark. Then he excelled with the UW Huskies. Tough and a good work ethic, and gritty, just like Tacoma. I hope his experience will add some grit to the team. And for now, the team is healthy.

I hope the western half of the states does something to alter the east-centric nature of the league, and coverage of the league. I am frankly tired of the Patriots, Iggles, Steelers, who ever. :whatever: :rolleyes: ;) :D
 
HE always gets hurt anymore.........which is why we have to carry 2 other QB's. As to his getting hurt........he has a fractured rib........well, WE all saw the play and him rolling around on the field.........holding his ankles, his knees but never once his upper body. Even the announcers thought that was weird.
We love GARCIA (or anybody for that matter) who is emotional and wears their heart on their sleeve. McNabb doesn't the overwhelming majority of the time. And we are SICK and TIRED of all that damn gigglin' and laughin' on the sideline when he fumbles or throws another INT. :D

We're a city of "huggers". We like our athletes to act like they give a sh*t.
 
it seems to me every team carries three qbs (except the bucs, who have four).

it's not a reflection of the durability of the qb. brett favre is the cal ripken of football, and yet the packers were always three deep at qb.

as for mcnabb v garcia...

perhaps garcia will appease more fans by looking more serious on the sidelines when he throws interceptions. he's also had more opportunity to practice his "i care about interceptions" face, as he throws more interceptions than mcnabb.

then again, statistically speaking, every quarterback in history throws more interceptions per pass attempt than mcnabb.
 
R_of_G said:
it's not a reflection of the durability of the qb. brett favre is the cal ripken of football, and yet the packers were always three deep at qb.
Not always, IIRC. Seems to me that there were years where Donald Driver was the third QB.
 
marnold, you are correct on that one. for a few years in the early 2000's, the only other qb on the roster was pedersen.

so here's a tangential question for you guys...

which nfl team has the most despicable fans?

i know many people often hurl this at philly fans.

as a jets' fan, i have heard this about us as well.

but, i do believe, we now have a definitive answer to the question.

who has the most despicable fans?

the buffalo bills.

and here's why...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5j0pbd1-iPhwZnH98MJqKeQ4gY4Gg

Front lawn of Bills CB Leodis McKelvin vandalized following loss to Patriots

By John Wawrow (CP) – 13 hours ago

HAMBURG, N.Y. — Bills players are concerned with their privacy and safety after the front lawn of a home belonging to cornerback Leodis McKelvin was vandalized following Buffalo's season-opening loss to New England.

Hamburg police on Tuesday confirmed the home of a Bills player was vandalized, but declined to release details of their investigation after an obscenity and the score of Monday night's game - a 25-24 loss to the Patriots - were painted in white on the player's lawn in suburban Buffalo.

McKelvin fumbled a kickoff return with under two minutes to play and the Bills leading 24-19. Three plays later, New England's Tom Brady hit Benjamin Watson for the go-ahead touchdown as the Patriots overcome an 11-point deficit in the final 2:06.

Bills linebacker Kawika Mitchell referred to a teammate's home being vandalized in a post on his Twitter page, though he did not say it was McKelvin's home. Mitchell warned fans that such behavior is disturbing.

"W/ all the safety issues n the NFL its not funny at all," Mitchell wrote. "We have Fam at our homes to protect. If u show ur face on my prop Ill make sure I do everythin to keep my Fam safe."

Mitchell warned that he would consider vandalism threatening behavior if it happened to his home.

"Its my job to protect my home as it is the job of all home owners. Dont push the limit," Mitchell wrote.

Bills spokesman Scott Berchtold declined comment by saying the team considers this a police matter.

Though Bills fans are passionate about their team, Monday's night's vandalism is surprising. Bills players previously have hailed the team's fans for being respectful and allowing players their privacy.

The Bills were not available for comment. A message left on a phone listed to McKelvin was not returned.

It's not clear if there was anyone at home at the time the vandalism occurred.

Bills players had the day off before returning to practice Wednesday to prepare to host Tampa Bay this weekend.

Bills safety George Wilson was shocked upon learning the news earlier in the day.

"To see that type of response from so-called passionate fans is taking things to the extreme," said Wilson, who is the team's union representative. "You can blog and make your opinions, but to go to a person's residence, you're taking it to a whole new level."

McKelvin, selected in the first round of the 2008 draft out of Troy, set a team record and ranked second in the NFL with 1,468 kickoff return yards last season. He also scored a touchdown.

He opened this season by taking over a starting job opposite veteran cornerback Terrence McGee.

After the game against the Patriots, McKelvin was criticized for running the ball out of the end zone rather than taking a knee. After being hit by Brandon Meriweather at the Bills 30, McKelvin attempted to gain an extra yard before being stripped of the ball by Pierre Woods.

Following the game, McKelvin said he was disappointed that he fumbled but noted he would run the ball out of the end zone again if given the same opportunity.

"Next time I get the opportunity, I am going to hold on and make a better decision," he said.

Coach Dick Jauron defended McKelvin.

"He's a dynamic runner and he was trying to win a football game, ice a football game," Jauron said, adding that McKelvin attempted to protect the ball with two hands. "It's just one of those things that happens, but I don't have any problems with Leodis. He plays the game hard."

With a nod to Terrell Owens, defensive end Aaron Schobel was upbeat a day after yet another Monday night meltdown by the Bills.

"I think Terrell said it best before and after the game," Schobel said. "He said he's been on a lot of teams and said we've got talent. We've just got to put it together. I think he's right."

Schobel did express concern that the Bills continue to struggle to seal victories. They lost 29-27 to Cleveland on a Monday night last season on Phil Dawson's 56-yard field goal with 1:39 left. Two years ago on a Monday night, Buffalo gave up nine points in the final 20 seconds in a 25-24 loss to Dallas.

"The bottom line is when you have a chance to win the game, win the game. We didn't do that," he said. "It's a long season and we're going to be all right. We've just got to get on a roll."
 
R_of_G as for mcnabb v garcia... perhaps garcia will appease more fans by looking more serious on the sidelines when he throws interceptions. he's also had more opportunity to practice his "i care about interceptions" face said:
R & G.....:D ....I will take you at your word that STATISTICALLY, McNabb throws less INT's than anyone else. Though they don't keep this stat....my guess is that he leads the league in "ground balls thrown" every year and by a wide margin. :D

The argument over McNabb isn't about stats......it's about those intangible things that give US the feeling of gross UNDERACHIEVING by McNabb and Any Reid. I can't explain it.....can't defend it......that is just how WE feel about our IGGLES and those 2 in particular.

What happened to the BILLS player is way wrong......let's hope that doesn't inspire (sic) the kooks out there who were waiting for someone to do the first thing.

At least it isn't as bad as South America where they killed a soccer player for inadvertently scoring an "own goal".
 
pie, i completely get what you are saying and while i disagree, what you say makes perfect sense. i have felt the same way about many athletes who have played for my teams. :D

i'd probably feel differently about garcia if i didn't live in tampa. but i saw garcia up close and personal last year.

the guy has all the heart in the world, that i will give him.

however, he either is the worst judge of situational options ever, or he's just not that bright, because time and again i watched him make the wrong decision under pressure and time and again it cost the bucs points. i suppose time will tell how he fares on this go-round in philly.
 
R_of_G said:
however, he either is the worst judge of situational options ever, or he's just not that bright, because time and again i watched him make the wrong decision under pressure and time and again it cost the bucs points. i suppose time will tell how he fares on this go-round in philly.


Your paragraph above is EXACTLY how we feel about McNabb and Reid and have for years. When the going gets tough....they get STUPID!! Not all the time mind you.....but enough for us to say...."well, how are THEY gonna screw this one up?" :D

Garcia did a damn fine job for us before. I don't recall him being brain-dead.
 
so in honor of today's home opener against the patriots

i feel compelled to say...



i'm just glad the game is on tv here in florida. this will be my first full look at gang green this season. this game couldn't be more important to set the tone for the rest of this season. obviously because of the rivalry, but more so because if you have any aspirations of doing anything in the afc, you'd better be prepared to beat new england.

i'm curious to see what rex ryan has in store for tom brady. it's been decades since i saw the jets as a dominant pass rush team. now they have a ryan as head coach.

hopefully they'll deliver, but it's been a long time since i've been this hopeful as a jets fan. i already see a better team than one that won 9 games last year. today's the real test.

and how do your teams match up this week?
 
I am looking forward to finding a radio feed for the Seahawks/Niners game. Should be fun! As long as I am working on the house today, I might as well hear the game.
 
am i allowed to believe in the jets defense yet?

they held houston scoreless last week.

this week they held new england to three field goals only.

i suspect this rex ryan may know what he's doing.
 
R_of_G said:
am i allowed to believe in the jets defense yet? they held houston scoreless last week. this week they held new england to three field goals only. i suspect this rex ryan may know what he's doing.

The Jets D looked awesome. While they never sacked Brady they had him way off his game. Part of this my be due to Bradys year away and new receivers, but mostly it's a very stingy Jets D.

The IGGLES are clearly having a rough day against the Saints. Fumbles, porous defense and a very good Saints offense.
 
absolutely right evenkeel, the pressure was intense on brady today. they came after him on every single passing down.

as a jets fan, i'll take the amount of pressure over the sacks any day. the last few years they hardly rushed the qb at all. now they blitz on every passing down. and it's not just that they are rushing, it's HOW they are rushing. i counted a 7 man rush at one point and was almost positive i saw another formation with 8 dbs. rex ryan is my new hero as far as defensive coaching. of course, my previous hero was his father so it makes sense. :D

the other thing that really impressed me about the jets defense was the pass coverage, another longtime issue for the jets. apparently, that's over. i've known revis would develop into the top shutdown corner in the league. i watched him play at pitt in college long enough to see that. the problem was, it left the other side of the field still. in two weeks, lito sheppard has earned whatever the jets paid him. i'd write him a bonus check right now. the two of them shut down the long pass today and left brady with nothing but short screens and some tight end stuff. those may turn into big plays against some teams some times. today, it left those receivers to look up to face bart scott or david harris ready to take their heads off. it was also refreshing to see how many times leonard or rhodes or one of the other safetys was right there to back up revis or sheppard if they didn't make the play (even though they made every play). ryan has these guys playing hard on every down. that alone is a gift to jets fans. these guys have bought in to his system full on.

whatever the jets are going to be this year, they are looking to me like a defense few people are going to want to play and that's what i am looking for in a football team. the running game could use some new play calling, but the talent sure is there with jones and washington (and eventually greene). jericho cotchery is proving he can fit quite well into the #1 receiver slot. dustin keller is a phenomenal pass-catching tight end. he'll never block like mark bavaro but he doesn't need to.

so yeah, for the first time in a long time, i am an optimistic jets fan. i am realistic too so i am not expecting rings this year or maybe not even playoffs this year.

however, i have seen a team that through 2 weeks has yet to yield an offensive touchdown.

go gang green indeed.

:bravo:
 
Damn, that Rex Ryan is a chip off his father's block for sure. Buddy Ryan ran our IGGLES defense for a while and they were awesome. I watched a bit of Rex talking after the game........and he even talks like his Dad. :D

The IGGLES played pretty good for a half and then crumbled. Oh well, no surprise there as the SAINTS are an incredible offensive machine.
 
I like Rex Ryan just because I'm sick of everyone being so deferential to Cap't Hoodie. The only part of the Pats I pay attention to is Tom Brady, since he's a Michigan man and all.
 
yes it sure was nice to see bellicheat taken down a peg.

for all we hear all the time about how "the patriots are the best coached team ever in situational decision making" it sure didn't show on the back to back delay of game calls when the 78,000 jets fans were too much noise for brady and company to handle.

i'll tell you why i like rex ryan.

we're through two weeks of the season and the jets defense has yet to yield a touchdown. that's a start i will take every year.
 
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